Cheap Chinese Diesel Heaters the Return !

Boat2016 said:
anything sold here has to be type approved, these heaters are not.
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Have a word with Ebay, Alibaba, Aliexpress and while you are at it the internet and see how you get on.

And by the way you have got that wrong me thinks isn't type approval to do with things that travel on our Roads.

Once again someone that thinks they know
 
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Bigplumbs said:
oh look the old insurance ploy. So many people don’t understand insurance and love to quote the old nonsense about voiding your insurance
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Ask the question, your broker will be able to answer it. I know a boat builder who’s clearly been told he’s not covered under his business policy to do so.
 
Boat2016 said:
Of course they will tell you that…they are selling.
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They didn't tell me anything. I had no correspondence with them and did not read their words. I have just bought, Inspected, Tested and am happy. Far better than a load of paperwork or the beliefs of people that do not know and have not tried
 
Boat2016 said:
Ask the question, your broker will be able to answer it. I know a boat builder who’s clearly been told he’s not covered under his business policy to do so.
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I have not got and don't use a broker. I insure in the modern way on line and these are very offten used in places that dont have insurance. You seem to worry far too much about 'paperwork' than real life
 
julians said:
I'm not trying to be funny with this - but could you point me at something official which states this?

Like I say I'm not trying to be a smart arse, just trying to understand....
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He has got it wrong. Type approval is generally about cars, Trailers, Lorry's etc that use the road. There is a whole raft of legislation that might cover these heaters but it isn't type approval
 
Julians

If you are thinking of buying one just do so and give it a try. While £90 or so is not to be sniffed at it will not I am sure break your bank. If you are ok with it then use it if not dispose of it in some way. I do this with loads of things, Some are good some are bad.... In this case like so many others have reported it is good subject to you doing a little work yourself.

I will soon fit this one in my log cabin/shed and will do another little report once it is all in.
 
Bigplumbs said:
Julians

If you are thinking of buying one just do so and give it a try. While £90 or so is not to be sniffed at it will not I am sure break your bank. If you are ok with it then use it if not dispose of it in some way. I do this with loads of things, Some are good some are bad.... In this case like so many others have reported it is good subject to you doing a little work yourself.
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I'm not thinking of buying one - I have no use for one - but if I did have a use, I strongly suspect I would go for one of these chinese ones over an eberspacher/webasto .

I'm just trying to counter a blanket black and white statement that these chinese ones are illegal - when I suspect its a very grey area. I can imagine there could be some scenarios where their use might be considered illegal - maybe where they are used in business premises - I could imagine that their use *could* fall foul of some health and safety at work legislation, but i dont know. I can also imagine that there are many more scenarios where its perfectly fine (and legal) to use one - heating a boat on the sea being one.

I just wondered that for someone to make a blanket statement that these are illegal they must surely be fully clued up on how exactly these are illegal?
 
Bigplumbs said:
I have not got and don't use a broker. I insure in the modern way on line and these are very offten used in places that dont have insurance. You seem to worry far too much about 'paperwork' than real life
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Im afraid we don’t make our own rules…unlike many individuals seem to think they can, that's why I prefer to operate within the law, I don’t have to agree with it but theres no choice
 
julians said:
I dont think a deisel heater is required to be CE marked - that list states that "appliances burning gaseous fuels" need to be CE marked - but not sure that diesel is a gaseous fuel? maybe it is? I dont know
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what like a Diesel engine that also needs to be ce marked if sold in uk ?
i have had this first hand from a boat builder who is up to date with all the requirements and believe me he would be fitting Chinese heaters if he could get away with it. You are welcome to think what you like but don’t let speculation get in the way of the truth.
 
Boat2016 said:
what like a Diesel engine that also needs to be ce marked if sold in uk ?
i have had this first hand from a boat builder who is up to date with all the requirements and believe me he would be fitting Chinese heaters if he could get away with it. You are welcome to think what you like but don’t let speculation get in the way of the truth.
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That list of types of product that need to be ce certified doesnt include diesel engines either - I suspect engines are covered by all sorts of other legislation, and I dont think they're comparable to a diesel heater.

I'll drop this now as I'm not buying a chinese diesel heater, but if I were I'd still be quite comfortable with the fact that I dont think I'd be breaking any laws if I did. Note - I'm not saying that your boat builder friend would'nt be breaking any laws, I have no idea if he would , but I'd be pretty comfortable with me using one for my own personal use on a boat.
 
These things are being used everywhere. Not heard of any going up in flames yet which is quite amazing considering how badly fitted some are.
I have seen a boat with an eberspacher go up in flames though.
Into the 4th year of running my chinese heater . Brilliant thing and it still looks as good as the day I fitted it.
 
Is the CE mark not an EU requirement? Were we not going to bin all the regulations on leaving? Or was it referring to China Export?
 
When ever there is a thread like this all the back room lawyers jump in and spout all sorts of laws and nonsense and completely miss the point of the thread and generally have no idea what they are talking about. They say they will never buy such an item so you got to wonder if that is the case why are they so interested. Is it perhaps that they want to be seen as being clever...... which again is interesting as they usually show themselves to be quite the opposite.............. Makes me laugh. Those sort of people have little common sense and like to be led by the nose of others that write rules.... Given this, it is probably good that they don't own such an item which to operate safely does require a modicum of sense.

I wonder why as the OP to this thread I used the Words .....'The Return'...... !
 
Superheat6k of this parish installed one on his boat and found the unit to be very effective and safe.

Another forum member stated to him that they " catch on fire" but when challenged for evidence remained silent.

It is true that Eberspacher and Webasto were operating a price fixing cartel in 2015. I understand that Webasto dobbed Eberspacher in to avoid a fine....

It is also true that the selling price of an item determines how people view it's quality in many cases. I sell a camping related item for 3 times the going rate for other similar items and receive glowing reviews because of that!

It's all about perception in the end......
 
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