CE mark - very dull unless you are thinking of buying in the USA

Morocco is not an EU country, I am not sure if Gib is just tax free status within the EU. There is no time limit to be out of the EU. In theory 24 hours would suffice but I would think it more prudent to go to a non EU country for a few days or a week and get some evidence of being there. Also you would need to cancel the temporary importation and then redo it again on your return.
 
Re: CE mark - Some answers

Interestingly more people have contacted me by 'message or email' than have posted and I thank them all for the contributions to the learning curve!

Putting together what I have learned from forum members and what I have learned from contacting some companies who 'do' CE certification on foreign vessels the following appears to be the way it works on imported (US) vessels:-

The cost of having a power boat of around 10 - 12 years CE certified is about £1500 - 2000 pounds... Engines in the states have to conform to higher stand ands than the EU requirements on emissions et al and normally all power boats have plans and information sheets available so the task for the 'certification' company is very easy.... Modern equipment - standard equipment. - There are several individuals making a very good living out of importing US power boats - motor boats - having them CE plated and selling them on - despite VAT, import duty and CE costs...

On a 45 ft sailing boat around 15-20 years old the cost is going to be £3500 - £6000 depending on the availability information - original plans, lines, equipment level. Wiring condition etc. You do not want a boat where the owner has done a lot of the work himself - will not be up to spec.. Professionally built - maintained US sailing boats are in excess of EU standards - no problems.. The engine is a potential problem if it is original - if it has been replaced in the last 8-10 years it will almost certainly pass and you can check with the ce people before you buy as they have an extensive data base of acceptable engines.

If it is an engine not on the 'list' then it is now possible for an emission test to be done without removing it at the cost of £500 ish... If it fails then probably the answer is to install a new or 2nd hand engine that conforms - £10,000 about for a boat that size... before you buy the boat in the US it is possible to find out if the engine conforms or not, if the line drawings are in existence, if a similar boat has already been plated...

I think it is not all as bad as I thought... just need to do a little research before buying... If you are after a mobo then it has to be the bargain of the month I would have thought. On a 45 - 50 ft sailing yacht it still has to be a good deal if the boat is 20 years plus...

Michael
 
Re: CE mark - Some answers

........If it is an engine not on the 'list' then it is now possible for an emission test to be done without removing it at the cost of £500 ish... If it fails then probably the answer is to install a new or 2nd hand engine that conforms - £10,000 about for a boat that size........

£10k is a sizeable lump for just throwing what is probably a perfectly good engine in the bin, and probably not a normal budget consideration.
 
ive had my boat for 5 years, i sail it in the uk, ive never been "inspected" there are no CE marks on it, the boxes that bring computer equipment from china have CE stamped all over it but i bet it hasnt been "certified", who in the uk is going to ask if my boat is CEd, its the same bull [--word removed--] as the VAT nonsense, ive said it before, the vat invoice that ive got could be made up on any decent computer with sage or quickbooks, who would check back 10 years through a companies vat records, even if they have kept them that long?
point i'm making, we smack ourselves over the head with all this nit picking but in the grand scheme of things who the [--word removed--] gives a [--word removed--] whether we have a CE piece of paper? i dont even know which bit of beaurocratic piece of [--word removed--] paper says my bene is CEd.
Stu
PS if we really want to wind you up perhaps we should go to Bliars website and put up a petition to ask him to support the "get rid of beaurocratic protectionist bullshit" petition
 
Stu I think, think in the UK you may well be right - 99% of the time - for me it is a bit different - I sail primarily in French Waters at the moment and they do inspect boats very regularly here. Partly because of the existing rules for French Nationals and I suspect the 'fines' imposed help to supprot the C&E service.

I am somebody who has used an SSB without an operators licence (which is a rubbish and expensive qualification) for decades all round the world and will happily flaunt the rules if I think they are daft and will not be imposed BUT there is no way in European waters - French - Spanish - Italian for sure I would risk not having a CE mark and papers (whatever they man be) on the boat... Far too dodgy.

As for throwing away an old engine I would sell it on - always done that in the past. It would be worth a couple of grand to somebody probably -
 
will dig out my CE paper from beneteau and pdf it, would be interesting to see what some of our more talented forumites could do with a bit of photo shopping!!
as for the engine if some one has a vp or a yanmar i dont see what the prob is
Stu
 
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