Canaries, advice on lincese and registration please?

[capnsensible]

For the eastern islands I can provide contacts we have used for property and marine issues. This includes very competent lawyers who advise estate agents and yacht brokers in the conduct and licencing of their very professional and long established businesses.

Also agents who specialise in obtaining residencia and importing boats. They use completely up to date information and are thoroughly competent.

 

[STILL AFLOAT]

I have my boat uk registered in Las Palmas, not had a problem.
Also Spanish people are converting to foreign registration , Dutch etc, to stop the maritime division of Guardia Civil doing forced inspections of boats, & dishing out fines for anything they can think of.
So , dont be in too much of a hurry to register as a Spanish vessel, until you get there and talk to the locals.

 

[nortada]

I have my boat uk registered in Las Palmas, not had a problem.
Also Spanish people are converting to foreign registration , Dutch etc, to stop the maritime division of Guardia Civil doing forced inspections of boats, & dishing out fines for anything they can think of.
So , dont be in too much of a hurry to register as a Spanish vessel, until you get there and talk to the locals.

Think the region you are in has a lot to do with. Fairly certain that folk in Andalusia have little fear of inspection or interference.

As I understand it, a foreign flagged vessel is only on innocent passage if it is transiting through national waters and so operating under it's flag regulations rather than those of its host nation. The moment it puts into a harbour, innocent passage no longer applies and it then agrees to operate under the regulations of its host nation - hence the courtesy flag.

Thus, it is possible a flag of convenience may not protect you from the attentions of the maritime division of The Guardia Civil.

Nevertheless, worth a try.

 

[Tranona]

As I understand it, a foreign flagged vessel is only on innocent passage if it is transiting through national waters and so operating under it's flag regulations rather than those of its host nation. The moment it puts into a harbour, innocent passage no longer applies and it then agrees to operate under the regulations of its host nation - hence the courtesy flag.

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That is not quite right. The coastal state MAY require you to comply with its local regulations, but there is no compulsion and in practice most do not, based on the legal principle of "comity" that is respecting the laws of other nations.

In Spain they specifically state that they respect the regulations of the flag state, but as you know in Portugal they have taken a different view, but in a limited way, only applying their safety rules to boats they deem "resident".

As usual this is well covered in the advice on the RYA site explaining the principle of comity, including saying that there is a lack of consistency in its application. In reality there are few problems in Europe and boats of all nationalities move around with very little hindrance.

 

[nortada]

NO Hassle For Foreign Flagged Vessels

Thought that's what I said?

In practice, after an initial enthusiasm, of late, to the best of my knowledge, with the exception to the T2L saga, even Portugal hasn't taken action against foreign flagged vessels.?

If wrong, doubt, I will be quickly corrected.?

 

[Tranona]

Re: NO Hassle For Foreign Flagged Vessels

Thought that's what I said��

In practice, after an initial enthusiasm, of late, to the best of my knowledge, with the exception to the T2L saga, even Portugal hasn't taken action against foreign flagged vessels.��

If wrong, doubt, I will be quickly corrected.��

Not what the second sentence says, at least the way I read it.

The point with Portugal is that they officially changed their law to introduce the "resident" status for boats liable to compliance with their regs and inspection. Does not of course mean that it actually happens!

 

[nortada]

Tranona Help

Not what the second sentence says, at least the way I read it.

The point with Portugal is that they officially changed their law to introduce the "resident" status for boats liable to compliance with their regs and inspection. Does not of course mean that it actually happens!

Hi Tranona,

Please help.

Only too aware how able you are at laying your hands on facts and links I am sure you will know where it is actually documented.

It is current currency that the Portuguese officially changed their law to introduce 'residence status' for foreign flagged vessels but where is it actually stated

I have a number of friends in the PM and they are unaware of any such change. Their line is they board/search vessels if they have a suspicion that that vessel is engaged in illegal activities.

They will check licenses (light dues, fishing etc. and passports/ID cards as applicable).

If, in the course of their stop and search, they become aware that a vessel lacks or has out-of-date equipment, they will advise the skipper to rectify this at the earliest opporttunity but, unless the skipper turns stroppy, they would just log the encounter but take no further action.

This is very much in accord with the reported encounters.

Of late, the majority of which seem to occur in the River Guadiana and are initiated by both the Spanish and Portuguese PM.

Possibly as this is a Portugal Thing, we should repost in the Truth About Sailing In The Algarve Thread

 

[Tranona]

Re: Tranona Help

There is a good account of the toing and froing with the ministry and the RYA on this subject in 2011/12 on the RYA site with a summary of the current situation. Too long to repeat here. Comes with the usual caveat of variability in application, but reference to Faro being the area where you are most likely to come across some sort of official action!

All seems to have gone quiet now!

 

[nortada]

Re: Tranona Help

There is a good account of the toing and froing with the ministry and the RYA on this subject in 2011/12 on the RYA site with a summary of the current situation. Too long to repeat here. Comes with the usual caveat of variability in application, but reference to Faro being the area where you are most likely to come across some sort of official action!

All seems to have gone quiet now!

Tranona, Thanks for getting back.

I remember the debate in 2010 and Portuguese Lawyers in Portimao (who were also sailors) taking up the cause with Lisbon on our behalf but as we were never able to get a difinative answer the whole issue died. Especially as we could never identify anybody who had actually been penalised - all hearsay.?

Still no nearer a difinitive link so I will tax my Portuguese and do a bit of research once back in Portugal at the end of the month. Just don't want to see a rabbit running.?

As said before, when/if l have something report, I will put it on The Algarve Thread.

 

[Mee]

Re: Tranona Help

just a load of waffle from know it alls

Consult a lawyer, don't listen to these people - one of whom I now have concrete evidence committed fraud in the UK

 

[Cheery]

Re: Tranona Help

People with experience on the ground (or water in this case) have given that knowledge freely. I would follow that and any points I needed clarifying I would contact them by PM. All you seem to want to do is have a slanging match. Why continue posting if you disagree so vehemently?

 

[sailaboutvic]

Re: Tranona Help

It's about time admin removed him and there a few other that been band in the pass who now are back with different names that need to be removed again .

 

[A1Sailor]

Re: Tranona Help

It's about time admin removed him and there a few other that been band in the pass who now are back with different names that need to be removed again .

Removed who?
Have you contacted them to discuss your concerns about others who you think should be removed?

 

[capnsensible]

Re: Tranona Help

Removed who?
Have you contacted them to discuss your concerns about others who you think should be removed?

The idiot who is libelling. Bear this in mind. He has been stalking someone who I didnt talk to for advice. He then confuses that with me importing two yachts. Which I have.

A deliberate and nasty troll. I have sent a post to the moderators. No reply yet but I am sure there will be.

Disgusting behavior from a warped mind. Shame that the vast majority of decent folk on forums like this have to put up with the dross. Thats life, I suppose.

 

[RAI]

I think he is on shore leave.

 

[A1Sailor]

Removed who?
Have you contacted them to discuss your concerns about others who you think should be removed?

The idiot who is libelling. Bear this in mind. He has been stalking someone who I didnt talk to for advice. He then confuses that with me importing two yachts. Which I have.

A deliberate and nasty troll. I have sent a post to the moderators. No reply yet but I am sure there will be.

Disgusting behavior from a warped mind. Shame that the vast majority of decent folk on forums like this have to put up with the dross. Thats life, I suppose.

I think he is on shore leave.

Mee turned grey yesterday. Perhaps sailaboutvic didn't notice...

 

[capnsensible]

Thank you, moderators.

 

[RobWales]

Capnsensible.....unable to pm you as your inbox full...
Looking for contact info on your canaries friend...
Cheers...Rob.

 

[capnsensible]

Capnsensible.....unable to pm you as your inbox full...
Looking for contact info on your canaries friend...
Cheers...Rob.

Housekeeping done! :encouragement:

 

[RobWales]

Housekeeping done! :encouragement:

PM sent