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Which bit of Foxrot Oscar don't you understand? /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Can anyone explain keels to me ?
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Birdseye
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we sail the channel too.
had a cat and that worked well, but was an embarrassment in places like porlock. now sail a bilge keeler which is fine for all the drying harbours though if you get one keel in a gully you could still fall over. the cat never could.
speed? a modern bilge can easily sail better than an old fin, so you cant really generalise. but when we race, which isnt often, we race other bilge keelers anyway. and if you want to go fast, a multi is the only real answer.
had a cat and that worked well, but was an embarrassment in places like porlock. now sail a bilge keeler which is fine for all the drying harbours though if you get one keel in a gully you could still fall over. the cat never could.
speed? a modern bilge can easily sail better than an old fin, so you cant really generalise. but when we race, which isnt often, we race other bilge keelers anyway. and if you want to go fast, a multi is the only real answer.
Allan
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I sail the Bristol channel with a lift keel boat (Etap22i). I am upgrading to a 30ish foot boat. I would love to find a boat with the same type of keel, lifting with a large bulb. They are (for me) the best of both worlds. Instead I will have to settle for a bilge keeler, not bad but a bit of a compromise!
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alant
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Tut! Tut! I started my sailing in the BC - over in God's Country of course, you know the rainy bit, where we win at rugby. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
A few years ago, did a delivery to Portihead & went v.close inshore past Ilfracombe at low water, bl--dy hell, I almost broke my neck looking up at the harbour. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
If you have a bilge keeler there, presumably, you have to make sure the keels are assymetric (like haggis legs), to stop them falling over & rolling down the beach! /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
A few years ago, did a delivery to Portihead & went v.close inshore past Ilfracombe at low water, bl--dy hell, I almost broke my neck looking up at the harbour. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
If you have a bilge keeler there, presumably, you have to make sure the keels are assymetric (like haggis legs), to stop them falling over & rolling down the beach! /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
sarabande
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Re: Keels; need for a proper Forum
All this pandering to the mobo types on the Thames has given them a forum for their part of the world. I reckon as how we need one for the Bristol Channel for the real sailors of this world.
Out of Appledore, across the bar, turn left, and it's America !
All this pandering to the mobo types on the Thames has given them a forum for their part of the world. I reckon as how we need one for the Bristol Channel for the real sailors of this world.
Out of Appledore, across the bar, turn left, and it's America !
graham
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If you intend to spend weekends dried out then in my opinion a bilge keeler is the best option.properly designed bilge keelers sail almost as well as a fin and have shallower draught and dry out upright on hard sand.
Also the bilge keels keep the hull off the harbour bottom ,hulls with lifting keels or Cats that dry out on the hull itself are susceptible to damage if theres an odd rock old car engine or whatever on your chosen spot to dry out on.
You need to narrow your choice of boat down a bit.Theres a huge difference between a 20 footer and a 30 footer. In the mid range the Sadler 25 is a fast boat available with bilge keels. 26 Centaur sails OK and quite roomy for size, Pandora 22 bilge very quick ,inexpensive at around 3k _4K but not roomy. Any of the British made Hunters are good,Theres loads of good boats,all depends on your budget and priorities.
my boat has a lifting keel and short removable legs to keep her upright,its all a bit of a compromise,no boat is perfect for everything.
Also the bilge keels keep the hull off the harbour bottom ,hulls with lifting keels or Cats that dry out on the hull itself are susceptible to damage if theres an odd rock old car engine or whatever on your chosen spot to dry out on.
You need to narrow your choice of boat down a bit.Theres a huge difference between a 20 footer and a 30 footer. In the mid range the Sadler 25 is a fast boat available with bilge keels. 26 Centaur sails OK and quite roomy for size, Pandora 22 bilge very quick ,inexpensive at around 3k _4K but not roomy. Any of the British made Hunters are good,Theres loads of good boats,all depends on your budget and priorities.
my boat has a lifting keel and short removable legs to keep her upright,its all a bit of a compromise,no boat is perfect for everything.
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Re: Keels; need for a proper Forum
If you goes across the bar and turns left, you will end up in Bucks Mills or Clovelly! /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
If you goes across the bar and turns left, you will end up in Bucks Mills or Clovelly! /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Allan
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I've been into Ilfracombe a few times and always been happy tied to the wall. Same with Clovelly and Lynmouth. All have good, friendly pubs and are not too hard to get into. I have the advantage of doing a lot of walking around these places and seeing them at low springs.
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I might have known! A bloddy Taff, how do like sailing over in snotty yotty land, with all them Juliens and Nigels? /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Can't even spell Portishead! /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Can't even spell Portishead! /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
bilbobaggins
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Mark,
You might give some consideration to a Telstar 26' trimaran. They've been around quite some years, they have a sound reputation, are easily sailed short-handed, and there's just about enough room for 4 adults, or 2 adults and 2 teenagers.
They have a swing keel which rotates up into an internal housing and a lifting rudder, and plenty of deck space. They're easily driven, are moderately swift in a moderate breeze, and can dry out in Bristol Channel drying places/beaches such as Ilfracombe Harbour, behind Caldy Island, the mudhole at Portishead, and Barry. They're also OK for longer trips, such as down to Padstow and the Scillies, with an appropriate eye on the weather. When I had one, cross-channel trips were fairly frequent, down among the Channel Isles and along the North Britanny coast
Try a trial sail on one. You'll be pleasantly surprised. ( No, I don't own one! ) Should you want any more input, I live not too far away and would be pleased to. PM me....
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You might give some consideration to a Telstar 26' trimaran. They've been around quite some years, they have a sound reputation, are easily sailed short-handed, and there's just about enough room for 4 adults, or 2 adults and 2 teenagers.
They have a swing keel which rotates up into an internal housing and a lifting rudder, and plenty of deck space. They're easily driven, are moderately swift in a moderate breeze, and can dry out in Bristol Channel drying places/beaches such as Ilfracombe Harbour, behind Caldy Island, the mudhole at Portishead, and Barry. They're also OK for longer trips, such as down to Padstow and the Scillies, with an appropriate eye on the weather. When I had one, cross-channel trips were fairly frequent, down among the Channel Isles and along the North Britanny coast
Try a trial sail on one. You'll be pleasantly surprised. ( No, I don't own one! ) Should you want any more input, I live not too far away and would be pleased to. PM me....
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What!!!?? we aint good enough for you in Bideford then? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Allan
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I spend a lot of time near you, mainly at the Bar and the Boathouse at Instow. Up to now I have seen nothing wrong with Bideford, just a little too far inland.
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Joking aside Alan, I would be interested to know why you think that?
I do have a genuine reason for asking /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
I do have a genuine reason for asking /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Allan
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From the bar (sand that is!) to the wall at Bideford must be 2 or 3 miles. I would normally be going down to Padstow or back to Cardiff so don't really want to go all the way upriver. My Etap is up for sale at present, when I change my boat I will be changing a lot of my life. I will probably keep my next boat in North Devon. What is the reason for your interest?
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Well yes I suppose it's a couple of miles to the Quay, I will PM you with reasons if that's ok?
oldharry
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Nicer pics Lakesailor - but where's all the water gone? or has someone pulled the plug out of Windermere?
Allan
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Yes, no problem Smifffy.
Jobs_a_ good_ un
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Me thinks its gotta be a bilge keeler then
This really confirms what my thoughts were bilge keel is the way to go.
Im not into racing just cruising so the slight problem sailing close hauled would be fine.
Next step is to have a go on a bilge keel boat.
Regards
This really confirms what my thoughts were bilge keel is the way to go.
Im not into racing just cruising so the slight problem sailing close hauled would be fine.
Next step is to have a go on a bilge keel boat.
Regards
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Re: Me thinks its gotta be a bilge keeler then
Shouldn't be a problem up your way, have a mosey around Portishead Marina ask at the office, explaining your reasons and see if they can get you a spin with somebody. It shouldn't be a problem. Well not unless they are lifted out! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Shouldn't be a problem up your way, have a mosey around Portishead Marina ask at the office, explaining your reasons and see if they can get you a spin with somebody. It shouldn't be a problem. Well not unless they are lifted out! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
alant
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"Can't even spell Portishead!"
Well, they ain't finished it yet & that was the name at the entrance when I went in! Bit grim compared to those posh places were used to around La Manche, apart from those new flats of course.
Thought it was named for a new marine sanitation device.
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PS & whats wrong with Julien & Nigel, lovely boys they are, you leave them alone! /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Well, they ain't finished it yet & that was the name at the entrance when I went in! Bit grim compared to those posh places were used to around La Manche, apart from those new flats of course.
Thought it was named for a new marine sanitation device.
. PS & whats wrong with Julien & Nigel, lovely boys they are, you leave them alone! /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
