Campsites open July 4th

ProDave said:
My personal question is if England opens campsites and restaurants on 4th of July, then I have an event in England to attend mid July.

So how can I get "out of Scotland" if we are locked down, bearing in mind I am 300 miles from the border?
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You might have to convince a cop and maybe a sheriff that going to your event was a reasonable excuse for being away from your place of residence. Fancy your chances?

I bought a dinghy just before lockdown started. It's only 40 miles away from me but might as well be in Zimbabwe. Most frustrating.
 
JumbleDuck said:
You might have to convince a cop and maybe a sheriff that going to your event was a reasonable excuse for being away from your place of residence. Fancy your chances?

I bought a dinghy just before lockdown started. It's only 40 miles away from me but might as well be in Zimbabwe. Most frustrating.
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It's just as frustrating when the dinghy is 40 feet away on the driveway.
 
Stork_III said:
It is Step 3 in the Gov plan, presumably.

"Step Three
The next step will also take place when the assessment of risk warrants further adjustments to the remaining measures. The Government's current planning assumption is that this step will be no earlier than 4 July, subject to the five tests justifying some orall of the measures below, and further detailed scientific advice, provided closer to the time, on how far we can go. The ambition at this step is to open at least someof the remaining businesses and premises that have been required to close, including personal care (such as hairdressers and beauty salons) hospitality(such as food service providers, pubs and accommodation), public places(such as places of worship) and leisure facilities (like cinemas). They should also meet the COVID-19 Secure guidelines. Some venues which are, by design, crowded and where it may prove difficult to enact distancing may still not be able to re-open safely at this point, or may be able to open safely only in part. Nevertheless theGovernment will wish to open as many businesses and public places as the data and information at the time allows. "
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It looks like something's going on behind the scenes. Our village pub has been doing a takeaway once a week (Alternating between Fish and Chips and Pizza with one attempt at burgers that wasn't popular) but last night they told us that they won't be doing it next week because they're preparing for the weekend after when they expect to have their 2 large beer gardens open and we can either eat outside with a beer or have a takeaway.
 
lw395 said:
It's just as frustrating when the dinghy is 40 feet away on the driveway.
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True, but a different sort. I haven't even seen this one and I want to cracking on doing it up as a tender. I think I may go for it in a week, when the unlocking has calmed down a bit. A trailer will be a bit conspicuous, but I hope my journey will be "reasonable".
 
Stork_III said:
... pubs and accommodation
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This is what cracks me up about the illogical nature of it all. You're going to be allowed to go and stay in a hotel or a B&B, which are basically viral soups, but not on your own boat, which has been sealed since before the pandemic kicked in.

Anyone any idea what the RYA is arguing for us?
 
I don't think the above is right. The only thing currently stopping you from staying on your boat (edit: in England) is the new regulation which as of 1 June states you can't spend a night away from home. That regulation will presumably have to go by the board when holiday accommodation of any sort re-opens.
 
Carib said:
I don't think the above is right. The only thing currently stopping you
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Is the interpretation of the yard/marina owners.

They have the key to the lock.

My point is "define reasonable excuse". A second home isn't going to sink or be washed out to sea (unless it is on Sheppey, of course!).
 
SaltIre said:
Why not join and ask them?
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Asked. Didn't get any response. Answer is clearly above my pay grade. Which is why I wondered what was going on in the inside. Don't remember them lobbying owners to ask their concerns and opinions etc.
 
Stork_III said:
Is there a law that stops you traveling 300 miles through Scotland? Can't see one in the Scottish Regulations.
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lw395 said:
I would work on the basis that lockdown might well be tightened again before very long.
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Ginge said, June 1st,

And with car traffic trebling at some beauty spots, the first minister said she would not hesitate to put restrictions on group size and travel distance into law.

People are also allowed to travel within their local area for recreation and exercise, although the government "strongly recommends" they do not travel more than five miles.
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So you may get out, but not back!


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canvey said:
Asked. Didn't get any response. Answer is clearly above my pay grade. Which is why I wondered what was going on in the inside. Don't remember them lobbying owners to ask their concerns and opinions etc.
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Back in April when we weren't supposed even to be visiting our boats I asked the RYA. They were actively pushing for (1) owners to be able to do maintenance visits immediately (2) boating in general to be one of the early activities lifted from lockdown. I think they were effective.

I just emailed them again asking them to push for yachties to be in the first wave when overnight stays of any kind are allowed. For the obvious reason that we can easily keep ourselves to ourselves, in contrast to e.g. b and bs, hostels and camp sites.
 
RJJ said:
I think they were effective.
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In what way? I don't want it when or if, I want it now.

I want to know why if the Anglers Trust has taken legal advice and given the OK for night time fishing, we can't overnight.

That's why I wanted to know specifically what they had asked for and done. Download here. I would have thought the RYA had much more clout IF it was thought to use it.

Where the government bundles in sailing with watersports, there is no mention of an exclusion.

All the RYA website says is it would take a court to decide "reasonable excuse", so why aren't they?

We announced yesterday that we had worked with Sport England and DCMS to amend the government guidance to remove the anticipated requirement to return home each night after sporting activity.

This was backed up by a powerful ministerial statement specifically referring to fishing and containing the key phrase “for any length of time”. This therefore currently permits fishing at night.

This is because the relevant section of this document, which was amended after publication, refers to holiday and second homes and not sporting activities. This is where the confusion arises. We have asked Sport England to seek its amendment so that it is clearly in line with DCMS and the Ministerial statement in support of angling.

- May 14
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Stork_III said:
Is there a law that stops you traveling 300 miles through Scotland? Can't see one in the Scottish Regulations.
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You can travel more than 5 miles to visit a friend or relative, but you can't go within 2metres and can't go into their house. In practical terms you need to use your own toilet facilities. Maybe drive about with a bucket of your own shite until you get home.:poop:
Travel for leisure (yachting) is up to 5 miles from home at present.
It isn't Law, yet - but if too many folk take the piss and ignore the guidance it may well be soon.

There's some info here: Sturgeon: No five-mile travel limit to see your parents
The First Minister hasn't travelled 500 miles to visit her parents.
 
canvey said:
In what way? I don't want it when or if, I want it now.

I want to know why if the Anglers Trust has taken legal advice and given the OK for night time fishing, we can't overnight.

That's why I wanted to know specifically what they had asked for and done. Download here. I would have thought the RYA had much more clout IF it was thought to use it.

Where the government bundles in sailing with watersports, there is no mention of an exclusion.

All the RYA website says is it would take a court to decide "reasonable excuse", so why aren't they?
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Perhaps they think it might not be productive trying to help yachtsmen evade Public Health Guidelines designed to keep them alive.
 
I wrote to the RYA some weeks ago about the overnight stay asking if they "had a cunning plan". They replied in the blandest of terms quoting Government guidance and I formed the view they were not doing anything to help us.
 
Thank you.

That's precisely what I got ... immediately shored up by a wall of bureaucracy. Very disappointing.
SaltIre said:
Perhaps they think it might not be productive trying to help yachtsmen evade Public Health Guidelines designed to keep them alive.
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I'm not interested in speculation, or a "perhaps". If I am paying them to "be the voice", I'd like know what they are saying, or not, on my behalf.

My point is, if the intention is to stop the spread and infection, the current implementation of the guidelines are doing PRECISELY the opposite and increasing it exponentially. In addition, no one has defined what is reasonable/essential excuse.

I am "permitted" to do so, but not permitted use my brain and minimise it.

Think it through. I am "permitted to drive back and forward across the country, spilling viruses as I go, spreading them from one location to another via as much rest stops and petrol stations ... DAILY ... as many times as I want, but I am forbidden to make just one journey and stay put, where I would be in the open air and not a 100m from the next nearest person. It's idiocy.

Never mind the increased safety risk of driving and working and driving back.

A second home or caravan won't sink or drift off. We're in a different category
 
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