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Only if you Proclaim it first.
JNKScot posted this elsewhere, but it seems Craig & Charlie Reid (The Proclaimers) were having problems cutting their grass. They toured the B&Qs and Garden Centres in their local area, without success:
Bathgate - no mower
Linwood - no mower
Methil - no mower
Irvine - no mower
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I'm not interested in speculation, or a "perhaps". If I am paying them to "be the voice", I'd like know what they are saying, or not, on my behalf.
You aren't paying the RYA unless you (re)join them and take your demands to them - it'll be more effective than venting your spleen on a forum.
How about a petition? Or do some Heckling?
 

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FFS, that was a joke regarding them to tell us to "Be Conservative". Do you guys have no sense of humour?

I am asking to gain insight from others who may have better inside information than I have, or they are apparently willing to give. I'd like to know what their angle or agenda is.

Why are you guys so bizarrely defensive towards them?
 

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In what way? I don't want it when or if, I want it now.

I want to know why if the Anglers Trust has taken legal advice and given the OK for night time fishing, we can't overnight.

That's why I wanted to know specifically what they had asked for and done. Download here. I would have thought the RYA had much more clout IF it was thought to use it.

Where the government bundles in sailing with watersports, there is no mention of an exclusion.

All the RYA website says is it would take a court to decide "reasonable excuse", so why aren't they?
Your link to the Anglers trust date is from the 14/5, the law changed on the 1/6 so it is out of date.
You are no longer to stay away from your main residence over night.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/558/pdfs/uksi_20200558_en.pdf
Look at section 6 and the reasonable excuses, you will not find one for staying on your boat
 

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I had a quick google for Angling websites to see if they had reacted to that change in the law but they are still referring to previous discussions with the relevant government departments despite listing thier advice as being updated in June.

Individual Anglers Phase One May 2020 | Angling Trust & Fish Legal Membership

It is possible that sitting on a riverbank does't count as 'staying' somewhere so avoids falling foul of the current regulations.

Presumably Marinas will re-open to over night stays/visitors at the same time but I haven't seen anything about that yet. I may well ask my own marina.
 

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Your link to the Anglers trust date is from the 14/5, the law changed on the 1/6 so it is out of date.
You are no longer to stay away from your main residence over night.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/558/pdfs/uksi_20200558_en.pdf
Look at section 6 and the reasonable excuses, you will not find one for staying on your boat
Do you think canvey should:
1. Petition HM Government (or Public Health England) and turn up in Downing Street to heckle the PM to allow yachtsmen to live overnight on their craft?
2. Show patience & restrained and stop swearing on the forum?
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On the former he would be following an illustrious precedent set by member of this forum :ROFLMAO:

Theresa May heckler cleared by Tory panel
Wow - I didn't realise there had been a Conservative Party Inquiry into Skippy Stu's conduct! I'm all in favour of free speech.(y)
A panel of party members dismissed the complaint against Mr Davies, finding that: "Membership of the Conservative Party does not override an individual's right to freedom of expression or peaceful demonstration. "Whilst the right to freedom of expression is not unlimited, members of the party should not be precluded from expressing a particular viewpoint even if that viewpoint causes a degree of irritation or annoyance."
Following the news, Mr Davies told the Local Democracy Reporting Service: "I am obviously pleased that this has been the outcome. "I've done so much for the party and I was involved in the campaign to get Boris Johnson elected as our MP in Clwyd South [in 1997]. "I was only saying what a lot of members had been saying anyway.
"It's good that the party has seen sense and will allow freedom of speech. It's an important ideal and one I am willing to sacrifice for."
Theresa May heckler cleared by Tory panel
 

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My personal question is if England opens campsites and restaurants on 4th of July, then I have an event in England to attend mid July.

So how can I get "out of Scotland" if we are locked down, bearing in mind I am 300 miles from the border?
Nicola has said we should only travel 5 miles for exercise or recreation but as far as we want to visit friends as long as you have a good bladder. Can you make it to the border before you need a pee?
 

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My personal question is if England opens campsites and restaurants on 4th of July, then I have an event in England to attend mid July.

So how can I get "out of Scotland" if we are locked down, bearing in mind I am 300 miles from the border?
If your boat is less than 5 miles away could you sail to England?⛵

Mmmm... You can't stay in your boat overnight so it would need to be a fast boat!
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Nicola has said we should only travel 5 miles for exercise or recreation but as far as we want to visit friends as long as you have a good bladder. Can you make it to the border before you need a pee?
You are allowed to use your "own toilet" so since we would be taking a tent anyway, I will put the porta potti in the car boot.
 

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FFS, that was a joke regarding them to tell us to "Be Conservative". Do you guys have no sense of humour?

I am asking to gain insight from others who may have better inside information than I have, or they are apparently willing to give. I'd like to know what their angle or agenda is.

Why are you guys so bizarrely defensive towards them?

If it was the AA or the RAC they would be fighting their corner and being very vocal.

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You must return to your home at the end of the day

You see, that's clearly not stated in law and I have no idea why the RYA is going beyond the law in its advice. I'd like to know who an why.

(Saltire didn't say it, I'm quoting the poster but avoiding repeating it).

What if you have an old fashioned French/Asian style squat toilet? Nothing touching but your shoes or toilet slippers.
 

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You see, that's clearly not stated in law and I have no idea why the RYA is going beyond the law in its advice. I'd like to know who an why.

(Saltire didn't say it, I'm quoting the poster but avoiding repeating it).
Just ask them. Your spleen will feel the benefit.
Perhaps you'll eventually agree it is for the Public Benefit - not the selfish minority.

Edit: I see you are now talking about your arse, slippers and toilets.
Your toilet etiquette is, I feel, a matter for you and you alone - not the RYA, HM Government nor the YBW Forum.
 
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So how can I get "out of Scotland" if we are locked down, bearing in mind I am 300 miles from the border?
Did she say 5 miles on land, or at sea?

I suppose you could always detour via international waters?

Your link to the Anglers trust date is from the 14/5, the law changed on the 1/6 so it is out of date.
It's not. I checked. It's a paradox based on two contradictory positions in a very badly written act that has holes in it so big you could sail a container ship through them.
Not a home, not a problem.
What's interesting is their attitude towards it, in comparison to the RYA's.
Martin Salter, the Angling Trust's head of policy, who told us he expects clarification over night fishing to come from the government tomorrow.

He predicted night fishing would be prohibited but said the Trust would challenge the decision.

He told us:
"We fully believe it's an unintended consequence. If anything, it's safer to self-isolate alone at a lake at night and leads to less travel.
"It's a perverse outcome and we hope the government allows anglers to night fish very soon."
This news comes as the government is believed to be releasing guidance tomorrow, which will require people to return to their home each night. The obvious consequence of which, would be no night fishing.

We understand the Trust is frustrated by this latest lack of clarity and intend to resolve the issue for anglers.
 
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Just ask them. Your spleen will feel the benefit.
You've obviously been distracted by my arse and are not paying attention.

I clearly stated that I had already asked them.

Problem is, you get the PR version. I'm asking here trying to find out if anyone knows what was done, what is going on in the inside, and why. Big difference.

Seems we need to lobby the lobbyist but before we do, in order to do so successful, you need to know what's going on.
 
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