Burton Waters Boat Sales

[Bigplumbs]

I also feel that there are different ways of doing things with regard to the actual value of boat you are buying.

For example with my £5,500 speedboats I simply turned up agreed the price paid the guy he scribbled me a receipt and I drove off with the boat.

Not sure what the cut off value should be but I think I would want better than this if the boat was over about £15,000

The issue is that £15,000 is a very lot of money to some but pocket money to others

Dennis

 

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A friend in UK tried to buy 3 different boats from an Irish broker only to find that all 3 had incomplete paperwork, this seems to be something that gets overlooked and then comes back to bite the seller on the a*** when not expecting it. That's why in the UK we do things different.

Going to the seller direct like you did is not how I would do business and not how I would expect to be treated either, that's why in the UK we have contracts that protect all party's involved. I do hope the broker got his fee as well after all it was him advertising the boat that sold it to you, he would have been out of pocket on the deal, very dishonest practice IMHO. I really do not get this grudge that people here have about those on the marine industry earning a living as that's what we all have to do isn't it? Seeing what I see here makes me glad I only have to deal with marine businesses as part of my hobby and so glad it's nothing to do with my day job.

Seems like the broker wasn't doing their job in that case. Bit of a contradiction you defending brokers so much! You have your opinion, which you're entitled to, as am I.

In my case, the mortgage provider did all the paperwork for us (no charge) - they were happy to get their money.

None of my business if the broker got a penny - I had no dealings with them... didn't even phone them. I did my own investigating and easily found the owner... should I have paid myself a finders fee? (It's a rhetorical question, no need to respond)

 

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And personally I would rather work the Irish way that the English. They seem to have more fun

As a whole, I agree. But I have bought 3 boats (privately) from the UK without any hassle. To a certain extend I like the formality of the UK system, to a certain extent. Thankfully, all 3 UK people I dealt with were easy going and honest. We agreed a price over the phone, provided everything was as described (it was). Arrived, sea trialed, paid the man, hitched on the jeep never to be seen again - all done in one simple transaction with the only hassle for the seller being having to take extra photos and deal with several e-mails. They took me on their word and I took them on theirs... everyone was happy.

So for anyone selling a boat... when you think "here we go" with loads of e-mails / requests... don't fob it off as a waste of time.

 

[Boat2016]

On this forum it seems to me that some people put more store in what the paperwork is like than the actual boat. Very sad reflection on so many things these days. The world is sinking in paperwork people need to understand what is important. The joke with all this is that paperwork is so easily forged or 'created'

And personally I would rather work the Irish way that the English. They seem to have more fun

I totally agree with you on this one but unfortunately this world we like in has made made it all too easy to make vast amounts of money out of others misfortune so whilst there's these parasites sitting waiting for something to go wrong we all need to cover our a**** prime examples are ppi and acident claims where us the good hard working have to pay for others to milk the system, so that's why we can no longer do deals the easy way.

 

[julians]

It's funny how different things appear to operate in Ireland. Let me tell you a story of my latest purchase (now 5 yrs ago), a Cranchi Smeraldo 37.

She was on brokerage. Being Ireland, a small country, I managed to track down the owner.

Gave him a call and stated that I was only interested in direct private sale "no problem".

Asked the guy for a viewing "I'm busy, she's on the hard, go have a look". Went and had a look. Liked what I saw.

Fast forward a few weeks, boat is now back on the water. I was seriously interested and wanted a sea trial. "I'm busy, the keys are stored (x place), take her out for a run and let me know what you think" .... this was straight out on the Irish sea... talk about trust!

Again, liked what I saw, everything checked out. Called him back, negotiated a deal. Called his mortgage provider... paid them the remaining loan amount and transferred the remainder into his bank account. Called a transport company, put the boat on a low loader and delivered her to my home marina. Mortgage provider posted down paperwork once funds cleared.

So, yeah... viewed, sea trialed, purchased a 37ft sports cruiser without ever meeting the owner! 5 years later couldn't be happier. Previous owner and I shared the odd casual e-mail chat over the years. Hope he's keeping well... that's how you do business! Being a naive 25 year old, thought nothing of it. Being 'wiser' now, would I be so casual? Probably not. BUT, it all worked out.

Would LOVE to try that in the UK!!!

Did you get confirmation that your owner,did actually own the boat? In that scenario id be think that i was looking at a stolen boat,i wouldnt have touched with a bargepole. That would possibly be my loss,but so be it.

 

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Did you get confirmation that your owner,did actually own the boat? In that scenario id be think that i was looking at a stolen boat,i wouldnt have touched with a bargepole. That would possibly be my loss,but so be it.

Did you read my post at all? I had to contact his mortgage provider (which he still owed money to) who provided me with all details and confirmed they had all paperwork (inc. VAT receipt for the boat). Once I paid the balance owed to them, they released the paperwork to me (after written confirmation from the seller) and I then paid the balance directly to the owner.

I also had to call into the marina to collect the keys - He had to ring ahead to advise the marina I would be collecting them.

People like yourself 'avoiding like a bargepole' meant less buyer competition... so thanks for that

 

[julians]

Did you read my post at all? I had to contact his mortgage provider (which he still owed money to) who provided me with all details and confirmed they had all paperwork (inc. VAT receipt for the boat). Once I paid the balance owed to them, they released the paperwork to me (after written confirmation from the seller) and I then paid the balance directly to the owner.

I also had to call into the marina to collect the keys - He had to ring ahead to advise the marina I would be collecting them.

People like yourself 'avoiding like a bargepole' meant less buyer competition... so thanks for that

No problem, wasnt trying to be offensive,just pointing out what my thought process would have been in the same scenario.

You didnt actually mention any paperwork in your original post,just that you paid off some outstanding finance.

 

[hg2016]

I totally agree with you on this one but unfortunately this world we like in has made made it all too easy to make vast amounts of money out of others misfortune so whilst there's these parasites sitting waiting for something to go wrong we all need to cover our a**** prime examples are ppi and acident claims where us the good hard working have to pay for others to milk the system, so that's why we can no longer do deals the easy way.

I totally Agree with you mate. But don't you agree that it is a shame that its hard to do business like that now.
Say for instance, you were selling your boat and I could afford it, I'd call you for a chat, you would invite me down for a trial and we would go out together.
' Yes B2016 I like it, would you take £x for it pending on survey'.
' Well HG2016 I am really after a little more so I would take £y'.
'OK B2016 its a deal. Here's some cash for the fuel today and £200. lets give the surveyor a call and arrange a time to suit all.
Job done. Two honest blokes doing an honest deal.
would be nice.

 

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No problem, wasnt trying to be offensive,just pointing out what my thought process would have been in the same scenario.

You didnt actually mention any paperwork in your original post,just that you paid off some outstanding finance.

And none taken.

I'm not naive enough to go in totally blind. Owner had to ring marina to give me keys / access. Owner had to contact mortgage provider to authorise payment / release of documents etc. Everything checked out ie. Name with marina / mortgage broker / current account I was paying balance to.

Also, Ireland being a small place, everyone knows everyone.... I got the guys number from a staff member in the marina so I knew I was talking with the owner.

Of course, I could have played 'safe', bought through the broker and paid a substantial amount extra.... or not! I refuse to deal with 3rd parties when not necessary. Even now, I am selling off some properties. Selling direct, why bother with an Estate Agent? People coming to view love the fact it's a direct sale.

 

[Boat2016]

I totally Agree with you mate. But don't you agree that it is a shame that its hard to do business like that now.
Say for instance, you were selling your boat and I could afford it, I'd call you for a chat, you would invite me down for a trial and we would go out together.
' Yes B2016 I like it, would you take £x for it pending on survey'.
' Well HG2016 I am really after a little more so I would take £y'.
'OK B2016 its a deal. Here's some cash for the fuel today and £200. lets give the surveyor a call and arrange a time to suit all.
Job done. Two honest blokes doing an honest deal.
would be nice.

Yes, that would then leave us more money for fuel and other more important things.

Bring back honesty and common sense please someone

 

[Bigplumbs]

I totally Agree with you mate. But don't you agree that it is a shame that its hard to do business like that now.
Say for instance, you were selling your boat and I could afford it, I'd call you for a chat, you would invite me down for a trial and we would go out together.
' Yes B2016 I like it, would you take £x for it pending on survey'.
' Well HG2016 I am really after a little more so I would take £y'.
'OK B2016 its a deal. Here's some cash for the fuel today and £200. lets give the surveyor a call and arrange a time to suit all.
Job done. Two honest blokes doing an honest deal.
would be nice.

That still happens thank goodness in some areas and long may it continue.

 

[Bigplumbs]

On the whole ownership thing. ie who owns what........ people have huge misconceptions about proof of ownership. Think about all the things in and around your house including your car and possibly the house itself.

What information have you got in your possession to prove you own any of it.

I would go so far as to say that 90 % of what we own or indeed think we own has no proof at all.

Those of you/us who think they own property/land in the UK will I am sure get quite a shock if they actually were aware of the true legal position about their true 'ownership'

Dennis

 

[hg2016]

Yes, that would then leave us more money for fuel and other more important things.

Bring back honesty and common sense please someone

Absolutely, totally 1million% agree.

 

[beejay190]

What are peoples views of this company to buy a boat from

Denins

So Bigplumbs; would you buy from them if a suitable boat comes along and will you pay an upfront deposit .?

I dont think 10% is necessary . I paid £63k for my second boat with an upfront deposit of 5%.

Btw: my second boat was a Fletcher 19 GTS diesel; HERCULES. New in 2007 and I sold it in 2010. I believe it went up to Lincoln. Wondering whether you know of it.

I should mention that a broker sold the Fletcher. Someone came along to buy it and gave him some story about not being able to pay a deposit before the sea trial. The broker asked me if I would allow the sea to go ahead and i said yes. Never heard from the supposed buyer again .

Forgot to mention that the Fletcher was stored in a drystack. So had to be fork lifted in and out, and the broker undertook the trial. All time and effort for nothing. One can understand the reason for a deposit.

 

[Jim@sea]

I nearly bought a Skibsplast Power Boat from them. I appreciate that when boats are put on Brokerage they have to go off what the seller puts on the form. The Trailer which came with the boat was described as an Indespension Trailer. I sent a photo of the Trailer to Indespension and they said it was not one of theirs. The other thing which put me off the boat was the Volvo Engine Hour Meter had ceased to work. (Although I now know that its a common occurance)
Mind you they recently had a boat for sale which looked virtually unused from new and had my plan to retire not fallen through I would quite happily have paid a deposit over the phone to them.

 

[Bigplumbs]

So Bigplumbs; would you buy from them if a suitable boat comes along and will you pay an upfront deposit .?

I dont think 10% is necessary . I paid £63k for my second boat with an upfront deposit of 5%.

Btw: my second boat was a Fletcher 19 GTS diesel; HERCULES. New in 2007 and I sold it in 2010. I believe it went up to Lincoln. Wondering whether you know of it.

I should mention that a broker sold the Fletcher. Someone came along to buy it and gave him some story about not being able to pay a deposit before the sea trial. The broker asked me if I would allow the sea to go ahead and i said yes. Never heard from the supposed buyer again .

Forgot to mention that the Fletcher was stored in a drystack. So had to be fork lifted in and out, and the broker undertook the trial. All time and effort for nothing. One can understand the reason for a deposit.

Yes I would buy from them certainly. They do a £1000 deposit thing on boats sub £50K If you like it and in effect want to buy it you pay over £1000 pending trial and survey etc. This is to show commitment from you and also in effect takes the boat of the market. You then need to arrange the trial and survey in a reasonable time. If all goes well you pay the agreed price less the £1000 and it is yours.

If after the trial there is an issue or you don't like it you withdraw gracefully and you get your £1000 back

They also have the facility to move the boat to the Trent where it can go WOT for a reasonable while with engineer and your people on board. You pay £250 for this however which I think is fair.
You can skip the Trent bit and do the trial locally where it is slow speed except I understand a sort of unofficial fast blip. This is free so no £250

I sort of think this is fair to all parties

Dennis

PS I would of course pay over the £1000 in fake notes fresh of my press :encouragement:

 

[beejay190]

Thanks. I did not know about the £1,000 deposit scheme. I maybe buying a sub £50k boat soon ( do not know from whom at the moment ) but i will certainly pursue a BW style deposit arrangement.

 

[hg2016]

So Bigplumbs; would you buy from them if a suitable boat comes along and will you pay an upfront deposit .?

I dont think 10% is necessary . I paid £63k for my second boat with an upfront deposit of 5%.

Btw: my second boat was a Fletcher 19 GTS diesel; HERCULES. New in 2007 and I sold it in 2010. I believe it went up to Lincoln. Wondering whether you know of it.

I should mention that a broker sold the Fletcher. Someone came along to buy it and gave him some story about not being able to pay a deposit before the sea trial. The broker asked me if I would allow the sea to go ahead and i said yes. Never heard from the supposed buyer again .

Forgot to mention that the Fletcher was stored in a drystack. So had to be fork lifted in and out, and the broker undertook the trial. All time and effort for nothing. One can understand the reason for a deposit.

Reading your post beejay, I think that would P me off too. So the deposit thing is understandable. I must say that I do like the BW £1000 deposit policy on sub £50K boats. I would happily live with that.

 

[Momac]

Yes I would buy from them certainly. They do a £1000 deposit thing on boats sub £50K If you like it and in effect want to buy it you pay over £1000 pending trial and survey etc. This is to show commitment from you and also in effect takes the boat of the market. You then need to arrange the trial and survey in a reasonable time. If all goes well you pay the agreed price less the £1000 and it is yours.

If after the trial there is an issue or you don't like it you withdraw gracefully and you get your £1000 back

They also have the facility to move the boat to the Trent where it can go WOT for a reasonable while with engineer and your people on board. You pay £250 for this however which I think is fair.
You can skip the Trent bit and do the trial locally where it is slow speed except I understand a sort of unofficial fast blip. This is free so no £250

I sort of think this is fair to all parties

Dennis

PS I would of course pay over the £1000 in fake notes fresh of my press :encouragement:

I seems to recall it you withdraw you would get back £750 of your £1000.
I paid for the crane as the boat was ashore, and of course my own surveyors fees.
My boat was over £50k but the £1000 initial deposit applied .
That was in 2014 so perhaps something has changed since then.

 

[Bigplumbs]

I seems to recall it you withdraw you would get back £750 of your £1000.
I paid for the crane as the boat was ashore, and of course my own surveyors fees.
My boat was over £50k but the £1000 initial deposit applied .
That was in 2014 so perhaps something has changed since then.

I am sure he said you get the whole £1000 back. Was the £250 deduction because you perhaps had the trial on the Trent ?

Dennis