Buckingham 20 restoration, formerly Plant Pot

[stelican]

I have been thinking on setting a launch date the last day or so, to help me crack on more, an incentive. Not easy over winter and long days at work but lets have a look what needs doing in all and to get it ready to launch but comfy and no big jobs to do.

List of total jobs to be done in good detail but may not to be 100% and not in any order of to be done. This is without going on the boat and sitting looking at it.


EXTERIOR

Canopy
Engine lid alteration for canopy to fit.
Fill and sand hull a bit more.
Paint.
Deck fittings ( Horn, Cleats Nav lights )
Wire up dash and deck lights.
Redo the rear deck lockers

HEADS

Laminate Sink front
Finish making inspection hatch`s (half Done)
Flocoat floor
Finish port hole surround
Make/fit door

GALLEY

Laminate galley front and make doors.
Finish mosaic tiles around cooker
Trim

CABIN

Inner Hatch surround, make or buy.
Trim back ply and prep for lining
finish fridge draw
Varnish
Make furnishings


I would a time scale on each job, I dont see the point as you know i am a bit behind already.

Now to get it on the water usable with the rest of the jobs whilst afloat.

EXTERIOR

Canopy/Engine lid
Sand fill
Paint
Deck fittings

INTERIOR

Complete Heads.
Complete Galley
Varnish
Trim ply lining and line.
Make furnishings

A lot of the other smaller jobs can be done in between the main jobs if bad weather is scuppering work on the main exterior jobs.


Launch date will be when i started the project, that being four years ago so 17/05/2019 And launched around Baron Manchester then cruise to Chester to trailer to Conwy, if its stable enough. Need to hope we get a mooring yet though.


Fingers crossed for me please folks .

Do you want a quote for that lot!

 

[waynes world]

Do you want a quote for that lot!

Go on then, see if you can do better than what i have done I have most the materials already

Just need a few more bulkhead fittings for the sinks and deck drain, two Horn bollard cleats like whats fitted but i think 150mm ones. SSteel Nav lights. Primer and Paint.

Its not that much really cost wise.... well until i go shopping lol.

 

[stelican]

Go on then, see if you can do better than what i have done I have most the materials already

Just need a few more bulkhead fittings for the sinks and deck drain, two Horn bollard cleats like whats fitted but i think 150mm ones. SSteel Nav lights. Primer and Paint.

Its not that much really cost wise.... well until i go shopping lol.

S/S nav lights? are they the ones that shine in the dark.

 

[waynes world]

S/S nav lights? are they the ones that shine in the dark.

They better had do

 

[BruceK]

Well Bruce`y i am so keen on needing to dunk it next season now besides yourself offering these raucous dancing wenches along with T it MUST be done due the threats of divorce mainly if it is not done. Therefore now along with that and due to the missing out on these deeper water riparian soiree`s I am keen on getting it done, ( will have to get some decent cloths to where not stained and full of epoxy ) . Infact i have just got in for a break from faffing about on the boat.

Ah now, if you can help me out with your contacts no doubt you have that a mooring is needed

Getting a berth anywhere is more difficult than you might think having not done it before. Apply now for next season. Now. By March you may be too late. Even if you end up keeping a berth empty for the year, the river is not too expensive but if you miss the March deadline you may end up waiting another year. Speak to the HM
01492 596 253

 

[waynes world]

Getting a berth anywhere is more difficult than you might think having not done it before. Apply now for next season. Now. By March you may be too late. Even if you end up keeping a berth empty for the year, the river is not too expensive but if you miss the March deadline you may end up waiting another year. Speak to the HM
01492 596 253

I have always had mooring on canals which i have never found hard to come by, but i can see this being a lot different. Worth the wait though.

I was going to call them but last time i did a few year back i couldnt get through. Will have a go though again tmoz

By the river you mean the swinging moorings below the bridge, i said to T about that but no biggie if we dont get one for this march/season.

 

[Seastoke]

Re: The plant pot

what engine do you propose to use ,and don't forget auxillary engine bracket

 

[sogood]

Re: The plant pot

Hey Wayne, hope you had a good Christmas. Like yourself, it was just myself and the good woman, so nice and relaxed here. I'm spoiled having free berthing here in Kenmare. I just had to organise the actual mooring. I had the mooring organised long before I actually splashed the boat as I was labouring under the illusion that she would be in the water much sooner that she actually was. I felt that the last few "little jobs" wouldn't take too long, but the list kept growing, and even then, I cut some corners, just to get her launched.

Some of that corner cutting has caught up on me and I hope to pull het out next Wednesday, as the tide is good ( the harbour drains dry at low tide) and hopefully the weather will be likewise. Then a good going over, having identified some issues while she was on the water. Everything is very different when under load, as opposed to being on muffs, but that's another post.
Remember, once you launch the boat, any other work that needs finishing will often need material, tools, bits and bobs that aren't readily to hand. How often I went rummaging in the shed for some odd gubbin that I knew was buried somewhere, but would, with some modification, get me out of a hole. And power is another consideration. Battery operated tools are very handy in some situations.
So try to at least complete those jobs that might be problematic when you're on a mooring. Consider your neighbours also. You don't want to upset other boaters if possible. I'm fortunate that I live in a place where people leave their boats tied up to the harbour wall, full of fishing gear, equipment, tools etc. and often with the key in the ignition. Will you have to keep hauling tools etc. back and forth every time you want to do some work? Just some points to ponder.

Otherwise, looking forward to updates, and the big splash, in 2019. All the best to you and yours.

 

[waynes world]

Re: The plant pot

what engine do you propose to use ,and don't forget auxillary engine bracket

If i put it down Conwy i will be getting a 30-40hp engine with a 5hp Aux. I have the 10hp that will be used for the canals rivers, but thinking that may be a bit big to hang on the back with a larger engine as well.

I am having second thoughts on taking it down to Conwy now. A few have said it is not suitable and folk know better than myself about these things. It is stated it can be used on the sea but estuary use etc.

Hey Wayne, hope you had a good Christmas. Like yourself, it was just myself and the good woman, so nice and relaxed here. I'm spoiled having free berthing here in Kenmare. I just had to organise the actual mooring. I had the mooring organised long before I actually splashed the boat as I was labouring under the illusion that she would be in the water much sooner that she actually was. I felt that the last few "little jobs" wouldn't take too long, but the list kept growing, and even then, I cut some corners, just to get her launched.

Some of that corner cutting has caught up on me and I hope to pull het out next Wednesday, as the tide is good ( the harbour drains dry at low tide) and hopefully the weather will be likewise. Then a good going over, having identified some issues while she was on the water. Everything is very different when under load, as opposed to being on muffs, but that's another post.
Remember, once you launch the boat, any other work that needs finishing will often need material, tools, bits and bobs that aren't readily to hand. How often I went rummaging in the shed for some odd gubbin that I knew was buried somewhere, but would, with some modification, get me out of a hole. And power is another consideration. Battery operated tools are very handy in some situations.
So try to at least complete those jobs that might be problematic when you're on a mooring. Consider your neighbours also. You don't want to upset other boaters if possible. I'm fortunate that I live in a place where people leave their boats tied up to the harbour wall, full of fishing gear, equipment, tools etc. and often with the key in the ignition. Will you have to keep hauling tools etc. back and forth every time you want to do some work? Just some points to ponder.

Otherwise, looking forward to updates, and the big splash, in 2019. All the best to you and yours.

Hi matey, best thing about xmas this year was a few days ff work and a mess with the boat a little.

I get what you mean about working on boats on moorings, been there and done that for years and do a bit now during my `Boat Works` lark. The major jobs will all be done before the launch and only small jobs that have not been done will be finished off on weekends away when we are on the boat.

I once had a motorbike and was rebuilding a boat about 20 miles away and in that time i had to take tools and gear to the boat, annoying to say the least when i got here and forgot a tool and it stopped the job and at times work until the next day. That was hard work especially in winter when it was so cold it took me half an hour to thaw out and sit in the boat yard cabin having many cups of tea. I was keen or barmy back then.

Well what have i been up to this weekend.

I cant tick off anything off the list yet as nothing is completed but near done.

I finished one of one of the inspection hatchs in the Heads.

Framed the hatch with the 15x15 all channel and it is held in place with SS self tapper. to 3mm back plate/tabs.

Now if you remember this is how i left the Heads unit.

I can use more of the lightweight Mosaic tiles to clad it. What the original plan was to do was to use the Basting tape i have ordered for help in making the canopy, but it hadnt arrived in time, well about an hour after i did the job, again sods law . This could of been stuck to the unit as above but this would then of held the tin foil in place much better than what i ended up doing and just using masking tape.

As here, all area to be laminated was covered in tinfoil so at to be easy removable from the backing ply/laminate i used to get the shape i wanted.

Then laminated with two 650grm combo matt, The aluminium to the left is what i used to keep a good corner as that will be used to fasten to the frame work once finished.

This was left over night to set fully, this was done earlier so i could then get on with the galley front and trimming it back. I do wish now i did the same with this instead of having the pl backing but do three 650grm laminations. Oh well no biggi.

Once the Heads cupboard front had set it came away easy, as expected.

I could peel of the tinfoil but cant be bothered at the minute and doesnt matter if left on.

This shows the inner frame work i used to keep the shape i wanted when i stapled the 0.8mm laminate to.
This has now been removed.

I trimmed back a bit to get a better look and its not to bad. More to do as theer will be a door made so to gain access under the sink and all these ply bases you see are removeable to get to pipe work and one of the water tanks.

After that i made the shelving and now i am deciding what to do about the door and next main jobs on the list.
The canopy material will be here this week and next week i am off so fingers crossed the weather will be good to start the canopy patterns.

So just another hatch in the head to be done and tile the front then plumb in, well connect the tap.......dam, i still have not tap. And Flocoat the floor and that will do for the Heads for the main of it.

 

[waynes world]

Re: The plant pot

Now before i start with the on goings of Bohemian, yes its been named

After talking to many about this boat being fit for the sea i have decided for now to keep it on river/canals. Unless i get a bigger project in a year or so ( cant hold a looney down ) i will see how it goes for stability etc tc.



So this week, we got a mooring all sorted and paid for as of today Found it last week and finalised it today. Its on the Lancaster canal at Cabus Nook. Cheap as chips and as i like them. Quiet.



Work on the boat, well i got a xmas pressie just in time to make this job easier, no pics as it is boring, it is a Makita Multi tool. that could be the last tool i need ( who am i trying to kid )but for a mobile table saw maybe.



I have trimmed back the edges of the ply lining ready to be lined out so just now needs a quick sand over and get rid of all the dust to do so. First though it will be varnished inside. I fettled the canopy frame so its good to go, well the welds need to be neatened up a bit , Still not easy to Tig weld with bad fingers and elbows, now the welding mas is on its way out.



I made a few Iroko risers for the front canopy mounts but these will be replaced with either SS or Ally when i get around to it. Its not a priority to launch.





So when folded down the frame all lies down level. Also i moved the riser mount further back so this gives a better access to get on and off the boat.

Now you see this area, i have made and yet to fit in place once i get the weather. 90 deg angles to get a better contact for the canopy to fit to instead of the steep angle for the turn button to attach on to.



I got a length of 65mm square down pipe and used that as a mould.

I used some basting tape that arrived for making the canopy ( fine double sided tape ) and used tinfoil for releasing.

Blending combo matting together as using off cuts, feather edges to get a more level finish.

Can barley see the join

That job as said will be done soon enough, but asap as i need it done for the canopy patterns to be made.



And as we speak look what arrived at last 8m of Top Gun canvas and windows with size 10 zips, and 1oz 450m of V69 thread.

So time to practice my sewing on this. Will be `trying` to make a canopy for this with cheaper but same weight canvas. I knocked up this frame up Friday morning.

Now i wish i didnt, but doing corners are a pain in the arse to sew but atleast there will not be any on the boat canopy. 20mm SHS 1.6 wall and a dozen slits and it bent just nice.

And there we go, one thing, well another, i should of painted it first but weather was against me. Darn masking tape would not stick to well to the rusty frame so when i went to amend the pattern the masking tape come away with the basting tape on the pattern material.

So 25mm masking tape then 10mm basting tape.

 

[waynes world]

etc etc

All that was easy enough to do, And would of been easier if i didnt rush it and think more of how i wanted the thing to be finished. As in hems and joins and wot not.



Sooooo my sewing. Its ok could do neater lock stitch`s but this is the first panel, and ok the corners are a mess here. Enjoying it though.



This cheap canvas at £6pm towards the Top Gun at £25pm, no way am i going to waste that on this practice.



I am over the moon with the sewing machine, easy to set up and use and can do seven layers of this canvas with ease,



front trailer cover panel done. The rear will have a zipped door roll up type.

Atleast these corners will not be seen, but then the top and sides will need to be better as these will come around the corners to overlap these.



Piggin nora...why did i do a radius

I have done a few more small jobs like faff with the engine lid and look for materials for this and that. All boat related stuff is a step ahead.





Captain Faffer

 

[burgundyben]

Your sewing a lot better than mine!

 

[Bigplumbs]

Wayne you have skills beyond most peoples dreams...…. And I am assuming most of them all self taught

Dennis

 

[waynes world]

Your sewing a lot better than mine!

Why thank you sir How good is yours though ?

Wayne you have skills beyond most peoples dreams...…. And I am assuming most of them all self taught

Dennis

I guess it must be in built in me and get my head around things easier than some. I just enjoy trying new things out and learning new things, aslong as it is not to complicated, like tech stuff, i cant understand all the jargon, simple things is all i need like tools etc.

Thanks

Captain Faffer

 

[MarkNL]

Hi Wayne

Looking at the shape of the front panel, and thinking of the shape of the cover panel on my own trailer here...

I am not sure if these black zippers in your purchase pictures were intended for the boat or the trailer.
If they are intended for the trailer you will be OK.

If not, please consider adding 2 flaps on the front panel of the trailer cover, approx 4 inch long, so that your entire closing mechanism is on the SIDE of the trailer and nothing opening on the FRONT.

This is to avoid driving wind blasting into the trailer cover - and the whole thing becoming a small braking spinnaker....

(ISorry - I have no detailed pics and trailer is in winter storage now)

 

[waynes world]

Hi Wayne

Looking at the shape of the front panel, and thinking of the shape of the cover panel on my own trailer here...

I am not sure if these black zippers in your purchase pictures were intended for the boat or the trailer.
If they are intended for the trailer you will be OK.

If not, please consider adding 2 flaps on the front panel of the trailer cover, approx 4 inch long, so that your entire closing mechanism is on the SIDE of the trailer and nothing opening on the FRONT.

This is to avoid driving wind blasting into the trailer cover - and the whole thing becoming a small braking spinnaker....

(ISorry - I have no detailed pics and trailer is in winter storage now)

Hi Mark

The black Zips are for the boat canopy. I will be getting some more for the trailer as the ones i got are no good.

The rest sorry but i dont understand as the font panel will have no access into the trailer. Only the rear and sides will have access. Rear panel will have two zips with roll up canvas door, one a few inch in from each side. All around the bottom edge there will be bungee cord and the rest will have lift the dot canvas to canvas.

 

[MarkNL]

Hi Wayne

Its all about the edge of the front and the side panels. Its good to have the rear panel opening witrh two zippers, but whats the plan for the edge of front panel and side panels ?

Thats where the wind will blow hardest - the front panel will get pushed in. If its not zippers but bungee cords on those edges, all I am suggesting is add an extra flap first, and then attach the bungee cord to that flap.

Thius will work better than just having a bungee cord on the edge - which will create the wing holes / gaps if the front panel gets pushed inwards by driving forward...

Hope this helps...

 

[waynes world]

This part lost me what you said

`If not, please consider adding 2 flaps on the front panel of the trailer cover, approx 4 inch long, so that your entire closing mechanism is on the SIDE of the trailer and nothing opening on the FRONT.`


Flaps for what? I dont see any other trailers like mine with a cover having 4 inch flaps.
Closing mechanism on the side? It is on the rear side of the trailer, as being toggle clamps type.

This is the plan. please excuse the naff drawing.

Red dots are Lift the Dot canvas to canvas, yellow bungee, could do lift the dot also but easier on bungee..

 

[MarkNL]

Hi Wayne,

This is a pic of the cover with flaps and shows what I was trying to explain. Sorry about all the fuss, but I think you'll be fine because the towing vehicle will cover most of the trailers front.
My trailer is 6 feet wide and cover is 6 feet high, and the wind pressure is amazing.

Anyway, lets get back to boats, I like your project

 

[jfm]

Re: The plant pot

Hi Wayne. Awesome stuff as ever. And watch your weight .

Quick point: even if the roof part of the top gun is quite taut between a flat hard top above your steering wheel and the flat topped ss tube goalpost at the back, it will still sag in the rain. Looking at the above pic it could collect a few hundred kg of rain. You need to design that problem out I think. :encouragement: