Buckingham 20 restoration, formerly Plant Pot

[sogood]

Good to see you back Wayne. I know what you mean about Christmas, it can sometimes be an interruption to an otherwise potentially productive day. But it also matters to know how and when to "switch off". I'm also looking forward to the launch, both of them!

 

[vas]

To fit it i sealed all the timber first with epoxy then 316 SS screws to hold it down in time for laminating the whole floor.

I know how it feels when you have to meet ppl and no time to do some work, but this year as the kids are getting older was really a good one for me!

anyway, back to work:

I'm confused W, what sort of access are you going to have under there?
Inevitably showers clog with mainly hair (don't think you have much of it, but wife should have )
how are you going to clean that thing there? Once you undo the grille it's going to drop down and you're buggered, or what?
Obviously cannot lift the whole floor right?
Access from the side or something?

Iroko work is going fine, I like that wood although it's a bitch when doing structural things with it...

cheers

V.

 

[waynes world]

i think all answers are in the update but just in case i missed.

They all 'came up' for me now - I guess they took a while initially. Excellent photos and progress and workmanship!

Just a thought re the new / extra 4 mm thick plywood floor you fitted in the heads - I presume that you are going to glass over everything (including those excellent fishing pole quarter rounds around the perimeter) however I would still be a bit worried about water getting in between the two layers of ply at a later stage (eg if you had a full bilge?). That could be a good recipe for rot (or has the plywood in this area all been well sealed with epoxy?).

Yes all the 18mm ply base is sealed in epoxy and the 4mm ply will be treated also, although once finished water will not be getting in to the 4mm ply sheet due to the laminating of the whole floor. It will be atleast 50mm/2inch up the sides.
Hell, if there is enough water to get in there that much it will be going down so a bit more than that to worry about lol.

Good to see you back Wayne. I know what you mean about Christmas, it can sometimes be an interruption to an otherwise potentially productive day. But it also matters to know how and when to "switch off". I'm also looking forward to the launch, both of them!

I dont like to switch off, i get restless way to quick. Saying that maybe i need to as i now have a virus and finished work and in bed feeling like death warmed up. Shouldnt of gone to work really today but hey ho, soft git i am.

I know how it feels when you have to meet ppl and no time to do some work, but this year as the kids are getting older was really a good one for me!

anyway, back to work:

I'm confused W, what sort of access are you going to have under there?
Inevitably showers clog with mainly hair (don't think you have much of it, but wife should have )
how are you going to clean that thing there? Once you undo the grille it's going to drop down and you're buggered, or what?
Obviously cannot lift the whole floor right?
Access from the side or something?

Iroko work is going fine, I like that wood although it's a bitch when doing structural things with it...

cheers

V.

Kids hey, i wish V. not seen mine in.......another looong story.


If you look at the second pic and the text above it there will be an bilge access hatch roughly where the jigsaw is. One of the reason i fitted the drain there. I can easy reach the drain plug hole from there.

All it will be is the drain hose to the plug so can be removed easyly

And how do you know i like to keep my hair short............. since my first marriage. Only on top mind, tempted to get a comb over yet..... T thinks there sexy

 

[waynes world]

It has been to long now between updates. I have been delayed still in finishing the heads due the temps being to cold for the adhesive to set properly. Still no rush as lots of small jobs to do. I only really get weekends now to work on the boat so that annoys me at times.

Still here we go with what been done, now i dont mind electrics but electronics i just cant get my head around, not enough gray matter left i think to fit it all in with all the other gubbins going on in there.


I was looking for a voltmeter/ammeter and found this on line. It was easy to wire up once i got to understand the Chinglish instructions and a few online videos etc.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DC-120V-1...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

It is either USB connected to the shunt unit or wireless which is the way i set it up. I believe it is more accurate when it is wireless.

To wire it up you need to fit the shunt unit in the NEG feed from battery to fuse box, mine is around 400mm from the battery and the LED meter itself is around 300mm from that. For the POS feed for the shunt unit and LED meter i wired to the fuse box ( 2amp fuse ) both RED wires ( shunt only needs a POS to it as it is already using the NEG from the battery ) and the NEG from the LED meter to a spare earth in the fuse box aswell.

I had difficulty at first as when i was messing with it to set it up some how i messed up the reading, so to amend it all that had to be done was to calibrate it. this way.

With no current passing through, scroll up to NCP and hold for a couple of seconds you will now
see C-U at he top press up button once more and C-I will be highlighted, press OK bottom of
display will show:
CAL-CURRENT:
(I=0)
xxxxx
Where xxxxx is a 5 digit number
If you now press the up arrow the current will 0 and the 5 figure number will change. Pressing OK
again will have a setting for I>0 hopefully you haven't changed this as a guide it may be in the
region 020xx don't change this just press OK again and you should be calibrated. If it is still out
then on the I>0 screen you need to have a known current going through preferably greater than 5
amps, the more the better, and adjust the displayed calibration number until the amps reading
matches reality then press ok again.


Good bright ( adjustable brightness ) screen, this is when i first fitted it.

I still need to understand the DIS rate etc and a few things but its working fine and very accurate, the olny thing it cant read is the galley light which draws 0.2amps

You can see it here in the top right mounted with the rest if the electrics. At long last i fitted the fuse box door today. on the look out for a small catch now, i like shopping

Small quick jog here was to move the heads light switch to outside. I was going to get a waterproof cover for it then decided i didnt like it there so a new hole was to be drilled for it.

This months shopping list arrived this week. I dont know if i mentioned but i ordered a Sapele veneer/ply before xmas and it arrived 2 weeks ago, i got a call from the wood yard to say they think it is not Sapele and asked if i can come and check. Well got there yesterday and it is White Oak, MMmmmm so another 3 week wait for it to arrive. It is only for the cool box cupboard and a few panels so at least no big rush for it.

Here we have a Osculati shower unit which i rather like and got that from overseas somewhere, lol dont even know i think it was called The Yatch Shop.

Along with that the double extesion draw sliders for the cool box to pull out fully to get into the cool box easier. Screws and washers as i have made some window handles as i couldnt find any to fit the holes that already drilled in the windows.

I have decided to fit 240v sohere is the Garage RCD unit. not yet got the artic cable but a dual independent plug socket i have fitted it above the cool box cupboard with the rest of the sockets/charge USB points.

Slide out draw with Underneath storage area for shoes n wot not.

300mm long closed and 610mm open so It will take a 25l cool box, enough for the basics and a few bottles of cider : )

Another job for this weekend was these, didnt take long to make, only three are needed. Just a few play with the router and Dremmel to clean back and trim off, just needs a varnishing now.

I used some plastic inserts for the M5 SS screws to go through, the holes are 8mm in the glass. On the outside 20mmx1.5mm rubber washer under 20mmxM5 are used to protect the glass.

Ah just remember the main job i wanted to do this weekend and i havnt dont it. I got a charger over xmas. this one, a 30amp which will do the job for the two 110a batteries i will be running. Only on a single old 110a at the minute.

https://electroquestuk.com/chargers...omatic-5-stage-marine-battery-charger-12v-30a

I cant decide where to fit it, i dont really want it to go under the rear deck, it is dry but could get damp. I am tight on space now around the electric box. I am going to pop out in a minute and have another look where i could fit it. Dont want it to far from the batteries.


Plan for the next update is to have the step finished and charger inplace, along with the head door made and if temps get up the heads lined out along with the galley. I should of gone to collect a sheet of laminate yesterday but i slept in.

I get so frustrated when i sleep in past 8am, waste of a day.

 

[jimmy_the_builder]

Great progress, well done - you're an inspiration to us all. Cheers.

 

[Wandering Star]

Absolutely brilliant standard of workmanship - well done! When are you starting on the mast and boom and will she be sloop or ketch rigged?

 

[waynes world]

Great progress, well done - you're an inspiration to us all. Cheers.

Thank you

Absolutely brilliant standard of workmanship - well done! When are you starting on the mast and boom and will she be sloop or ketch rigged?

Not on this one, dont think it would suit it lol maybe the next project

 

[sogood]

Welcome back Wayne. I don't know if you saw the version of a cooler box sliding shelf that I did as part of my resto. I was left with a hole where a fridge used to be and I made the shelf as a " double decker ". The cooler sits on the lower shelf and about 2"above that is another shelf with a cut out to let the cooler actually sit into the shelf. making sense? It keeps the cooler in place and it is still easily removable. I lined the inner edge of the cut out with a felt strip, just to keep it a snug fit and to protect the cooler.

The weather hasn't been great here, but at least no snow or big freezes, at least not down south where I live. Lots of wind and rain though. Will be back outdoors doing some finishing touches, roll on launch day.

Keep up the great work and continued success.

 

[waynes world]

Welcome back Wayne. I don't know if you saw the version of a cooler box sliding shelf that I did as part of my resto. I was left with a hole where a fridge used to be and I made the shelf as a " double decker ". The cooler sits on the lower shelf and about 2"above that is another shelf with a cut out to let the cooler actually sit into the shelf. making sense? It keeps the cooler in place and it is still easily removable. I lined the inner edge of the cut out with a felt strip, just to keep it a snug fit and to protect the cooler.

The weather hasn't been great here, but at least no snow or big freezes, at least not down south where I live. Lots of wind and rain though. Will be back outdoors doing some finishing touches, roll on launch day.

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Hi kida, it felt good this weekend getting a few more bits done. Just want to get the interior finished now so i can concentrate on making the canopy and get ready to sheath the hull.

I think i may of seen your cool box idea some time. look familiar. I will box mine in when i can and feed the power to it. I am going to have 240v and 12v, the 240v is just incase, you never know.

I think i will pinch your idea of the felt to hold the cooler tight

I found a cracking american trailer but not quit got the funds yet. Decided to get a HIAB for the launch and cruise while saving for the rest of the trailer fund. Found a great price just looking for a launch venue now

Getting closer

 

[sogood]

I've sorted my launch site. It's about 3 miles down the bay from the harbour where I'll be moored and will only cost €25.00 to use it. My own harbour has a free public slip, but it's small and not so accessible for anything over 16'.

My launch site has a ton of room to turn and manoeuvre into position. Those will be pictures I look forward to posting!!

 

[waynes world]

I've sorted my launch site. It's about 3 miles down the bay from the harbour where I'll be moored and will only cost €25.00 to use it. My own harbour has a free public slip, but it's small and not so accessible for anything over 16'.

My launch site has a ton of room to turn and manoeuvre into position. Those will be pictures I look forward to posting!!

When did you say your launching ?

I have sorted a HIAB at £325, cheap as chips that, i have used cranes and HIAB in the past and never been below £550.Going to be checking a few launch areas in the next month or so now.

Oh and just put an add on Shiply, i forgot i had an account, so worth a try as not in a massive rush.

 

[vas]

I used some plastic inserts for the M5 SS screws to go through, the holes are 8mm in the glass. On the outside 20mmx1.5mm rubber washer under 20mmxM5 are used to protect the glass.

W, really really like this sliding window handle! excellent work, v.well done!

now, tell me wtf is a HIAB ???

cheers

V.

 

[mlines]

now, tell me wtf is a HIAB ???

cheers

V.

Brand name, like we use Hoover instead of vacuum cleaner or JCB instead of back-hoe digger

Manufacturer of crane units varying from the small units you see on the back of lorries to full self propelled cranes

 

[waynes world]

As above


One of these V

What do you call them over yonder water ?

 

[vas]

As above


One of these V

What do you call them over yonder water ?

thanks guys,

I think we call them er, cranes?



or lorry with fitted foldable crane? I'll ask a friend who has a couple of them...

So, you're going to hire a thing like that to pick up your boat from your yard, secure it on it's platform and get it to the water, right?.
You also hire the strops and frame from the guy, right?

So you're going to keep her in the water?

Really want to see how you're going to find the waterline wayne
with all the alterations and work you've done, you have any clue how heavier (or lighter-I very much doubt!) she is now?

I went conservatively, and I should alter a bit (lift on the stern by 30-40mm)

cheers

V.

 

[sogood]

Hey Wayne, regarding my launch, it could happen almost any day now. I'm waiting for the weather to clear up a bit after we get all these storm fronts coming in off the Atlantic! Although my mooring will be very sheltered, I'd rather wait until I can actually use the boat somewhat.
I'm 99% ready to go. What's left to do could be done on the water. I'm also waiting until all the ducks are lined up, in that, I have one or two friends, available to help. One has a big range rover type rig for launching and I'll need someone to help with traffic when I take the boat out of my garden. I'm on a busy minor two lane road, on a bend and getting the boat out will take a bit of work. It was easier turning in off the road because of the layout, but it won't be so on the way out.

I also want to have enough water available, probably on the incoming tide, to launch and still have enough time to sea trial with comfort, before going up to my mooring.

I'll also need enough water then, as the harbour pretty well drains out on low tide. Oh and I'll have to get my tender back in the water beforehand, so I'll be able to get back on dry land after mooring. The theory is all worked out, backwards and forwards, so, just a bit more waiting to do.

Aside from that, my next touring season will kick off by the end of February or early March and then time will become more of a premium. Watch this space and good luck with your own adventure.

 

[waynes world]

thanks guys,

I think we call them er, cranes?



or lorry with fitted foldable crane? I'll ask a friend who has a couple of them...

So, you're going to hire a thing like that to pick up your boat from your yard, secure it on it's platform and get it to the water, right?.
You also hire the strops and frame from the guy, right?

So you're going to keep her in the water?

Really want to see how you're going to find the waterline wayne
with all the alterations and work you've done, you have any clue how heavier (or lighter-I very much doubt!) she is now?

I went conservatively, and I should alter a bit (lift on the stern by 30-40mm)

cheers

V.

Morning V

I do a have a chap that has offered me his trailer but it is 28 foot long and i dont have the space to get it in front of the boat to slide it under, And well a crane will be easier and quicker, not to mention safer. I have dont it a few times and that was with project boats that didnt really matter about the odd scratch but this i will be on pins.

The cradles i made that it is sat on can go on the wagon deck for the boat to sit on. And the companies have straps at hand, all in in the price no extra higher cost. I do have my own though. Big heavy duty ones, plenty big enough for the job, OTT but bigger the better.

I have found a mooring for it but still undecided if it will be moored permanently yet, if it is then when we want to travel further afield then the trailer will be there.. I am saving for a good trailer but i wont have enough by time launch day is here, if i wait until i have a trailer then launch day will be put back to end of summer. Cant be doing that.

I will find the waterline once afloat and mark it then, end of summer maybe when i have the trailer i will bring it hoe to sort out , or dry dock it at the marina. These boats are 1150kg dry from factory, so with the extra bits i am guess around 200kg extra max. thats with a quick work out a while ago that i did.

Hey Wayne, regarding my launch, it could happen almost any day now. I'm waiting for the weather to clear up a bit after we get all these storm fronts coming in off the Atlantic! Although my mooring will be very sheltered, I'd rather wait until I can actually use the boat somewhat.
I'm 99% ready to go. What's left to do could be done on the water. I'm also waiting until all the ducks are lined up, in that, I have one or two friends, available to help. One has a big range rover type rig for launching and I'll need someone to help with traffic when I take the boat out of my garden. I'm on a busy minor two lane road, on a bend and getting the boat out will take a bit of work. It was easier turning in off the road because of the layout, but it won't be so on the way out.

I also want to have enough water available, probably on the incoming tide, to launch and still have enough time to sea trial with comfort, before going up to my mooring.

I'll also need enough water then, as the harbour pretty well drains out on low tide. Oh and I'll have to get my tender back in the water beforehand, so I'll be able to get back on dry land after mooring. The theory is all worked out, backwards and forwards, so, just a bit more waiting to do.

Aside from that, my next touring season will kick off by the end of February or early March and then time will become more of a premium. Watch this space and good luck with your own adventure.

 

[waynes world]

Now then now then.

All these little jobs are keeping me busy over winter now. Electrics for a start, no big job but making sure i understand how to use the new Volt/Amp meter. I was going to finish it properly but i forgot to get two 25/5mm stud cable terminals.No shop in the 10 miles of had then so again i have had to order online. No big deal but this si why i have so many jobs that need finishing properly as local shops which i try to use dont sell them.

Same with the Sapele veneered ply. I waited for 3 weeks then they received White Oak, thy said they would send it back and put it on fast track service, that was two weeks ago. I called them and they said they cant get it in now until they order enough from the supplier. Could be weeks again sooooo.

There is a supplier about 20 miles away and i cant get to them with there opening hours and to get it delivered will cost the same as the sheet itself.

As i only need about half a sheet if that i am going to see what i can do with the off cuts i have.

First job was for the cool box draw door. I sectioned in into two and put Sapele strips done to cove the joints.

I laminated with contact adhesive to a 4mm ply backing.

You will see in this pic the frame around the edge of the aperture for the door. I am NOT happy with it but that is the only way i could do it with what materials i have.

I am going to have work something better out. Only bit i am not happy with is the shade of Sapele, does not match from vertical to the horizontal.

So fairly happy there.




Now the cabin step i have been doing bit by bit, it is near done now, just a quick rub and varnish and it good as done.

With the step though comes the charger as i have decided there is enough room ( just ) for it to go under there with the water pump. I made a frame for it to bolt down to from the ally strips i got some time ago for when i made the........? i for got now lol.

I made a few corner supports for the front corners to stop it from tipping forward , not a lot but feel better to step on.

Front panel slots down and is held at the bottom by dowels standing proud of the bottom frame.

The tread then goes in and is held in place with more dowels sitting proud at the sides.

Then the rear slides down.

Another job was to fit 240v, socket on the left and Garage RCD on the right, this feeds 6amps to the charger and 16amp to the two sockets on the cabin. You will see them ( if you already have not ) Just below the draw on the cupboard wall above the cool box cupboard.

I have been busy on the galley but as yet it is not finished i will wait to show you as i think it will be a nice surprise as it was for me........ok until i got he laminate for the galley. I like the worktop a si have varnished it with Le Tonkinois, it took four coats but look well. I have even tiled the splash back, nearly anyway as the up stands are drying as we speak. In the front room must to T`s annoyance but if needs must.


As i sad earlier in this update i have had to come up with ideas for the shortage of Sapele veneer.


Now what can these be for ?


Eighty 50mmx50mmx4mm Saple made from the off cuts.

And i am well chuffed with the table saws accuracy, to say it is so old and i made the mitre.

It is not easy to cut and not chip the veneer and has the cut off length fly across the room so i jigged it out a bit by clamping a lump of Iroko to the fence to get the length i needed.

So ninety 50mm squares to sand back, carefully.

That is about it i think.

The main areas to be done as in the heads needs lining and cabin needs varnishing and lining still cant be done until spring to temps to rise. That will be a crazy month a si have other plans now, which i cant not put the finalizing of Faffer`s launched back any more than it has been.

The hull work, i think i have decided to fettle the areas that need to be by Epoxy filler instead of a fully re`laminate the hull below water line.

If i remember any other bits later i will up date again

Wayne

 

[sogood]

Glad to see you back and still hard at it wayne. It's all shaping up very nicely!! I know that feeling of being without the very thing you need to finish off a job the way you know it should be done. It's frustrating, yes?

Anyway keep up the good work. It won't be too long now!

 

[Bigplumbs]

Wayne

Is the external work to the Hull all finished now

Dennis