Brexit

[GrahamM376]

I am still waiting to hear just how the Brexiters intend controlling immigration when it is quite clear non EU immigration is already out of control and we seem unable to find many over stayers and criminals who were supposed to be deported when released from jail

When an immigrant is granted residence in an EC state, he/she is free to travel and settle in any other but, not in a non-EC state, which we would be.

 

[GrahamM376]

From your post it seems you can stay in Greek waters for as long as you want but, for example, Spain and Portugal are six calender months unless that has changed.

Unlike Spain, Portugal isn't bothered about implementing EC law about how long anyone from EC stays, but require the boat to meet their regs. after 6 months.

 

[Seven Spades]

Hmmmm, the Norwegians accept free movement of EU citizens, all the single market rules and pay into the EU budget at much the same rate as us but have no MEPs, no representation on the council of ministers and no influence over what rules are adopted, compared to the deal we have now is that better. As for Turks coming here there is no chance of 1.5 million Turks settling here, rather as I am sure you well know it was a suggestion from our Embassy in Ankara that certain passport holders should be exempt from visa rules to VISIT the UK not allowing them to settle here. It certainly is not policy nor was it suggested by the cabinet.

Any you know full well that in the real world what happens is anyone who arrives here (visitors visa or not) can and do apply for a NI number and just start working. They then either marry a local or have a child in the UK and evade the authorities until they have been here long enough to get a permanent leave to remain, or citizenship owning to the time they have spent in the country without apprehension.

 

[Seven Spades]

I advocate a clean break, not a Norway style relationship.

I agree, but the point is made. The sky has not fallen in on Norway and it won't here either.

 

[colind3782]

From your post it seems you can stay in Greek waters for as long as you want but, for example, Spain and Portugal are six calender months unless that has changed.

My boat is in Spain on the SSR and has been for five years with no problem. It's me that has to leave after 182 days in a calendar year or put the boat on the Spanish register.

 

[Tranona]

Take the Greek example. The EU "forced" them to do it.

But that was all because Greece is in the eurozone and is massively in debt to both Germany and the european bank.

Neither of those conditions apply to the UK and they cannot force us to do anything to reduce pensions, even if we remain in the EU.

 

[Tranona]

From your post it seems you can stay in Greek waters for as long as you want but, for example, Spain and Portugal are six calender months unless that has changed.

That (as usual) is complete nonsense. There is no restriction on keeping an EU registered boat in either of those countries. There are thousands of boats there belonging to non residents.

 

[Tranona]

My boat is in Spain on the SSR and has been for five years with no problem. It's me that has to leave after 182 days in a calendar year or put the boat on the Spanish register.

There is no longer a requirement to put the boat on the Spanish register if you become resident, although you have to declare it as an asset.

 

[maxi77]

Any you know full well that in the real world what happens is anyone who arrives here (visitors visa or not) can and do apply for a NI number and just start working. They then either marry a local or have a child in the UK and evade the authorities until they have been here long enough to get a permanent leave to remain, or citizenship owning to the time they have spent in the country without apprehension.

And that is a problem of our own creation, nothing to do with the EU

 

[colind3782]

There is no longer a requirement to put the boat on the Spanish register if you become resident, although you have to declare it as an asset.

I have no plans to become a resident but I do spend a quarter of my time there. Just hoping that in the case of Brexit, I don't have to move my boat.

 

[rtchina]

I vote to leave will initiate a contraction in the UK economy - I am sure of that. And when that happens, there will be less tax revenue so spending on everything, NHS, Defense etc etc will drop or the country will go further into debt. Investment in industry will not happen because of economic uncertainty. That is all quite certain. Net result, even before negotiations begin will be that the UK and its people will be poorer than they were the day before the vote.

 

[rtchina]

It's not what they say but what they do that matters. There is absolutely no chance of Turkey joining the EU, It requires every country in the EU to agree. Many will never agree, ever ever ever.

 

[GrahamM376]

I have no plans to become a resident but I do spend a quarter of my time there. Just hoping that in the case of Brexit, I don't have to move my boat.

That will be the problem for those based in any EC country. IIRC Non EC boats can only stay 18 months with an extension to 2 years if applied for. If we do exit, there will be protracted discussions and agreements as I'm sure many countries wouldn't want to lose the income from thousands of ex pats based there.

 

[RAI]

When an immigrant is granted residence in an EC state, he/she is free to travel and settle in any other but, not in a non-EC state, which we would be.

Does this non-EU immigrant need naturalisation in addition to residence to gain that freedom? At the moment, if he turns up at Dover with a non-EU passport, it doesn't matter where he is resident, UK Border Agency can turn him away. It's much easier to gain residency than it is to gain nationality.

 

[RAI]

But that was all because Greece is in the eurozone and is massively in debt to both Germany and the european bank.
Neither of those conditions apply to the UK and they cannot force us to do anything to reduce pensions, even if we remain in the EU.

After Brexit, the reverse will be true, a cut in pensions will be based on "because we left the EU" argument. See Osborne today.

 

[RAI]

I'm sure many countries wouldn't want to lose the income from thousands of ex pats based there.

Many of those ex-pats are actually "holiday makers" and will probably remain so. The formal residents will probably be given some special status, like in Portugal, with no income tax asked for 10 years. After 10 years, things might change.
I wonder how much tax income the ex-pats are actually worth.

 

[RAI]

I vote to leave will initiate a contraction in the UK economy - I am sure of that. And when that happens, there will be less tax revenue so spending on everything, NHS, Defense etc etc will drop or the country will go further into debt. Investment in industry will not happen because of economic uncertainty. That is all quite certain. Net result, even before negotiations begin will be that the UK and its people will be poorer than they were the day before the vote.

I suppose that's what Osborne is trying to illustrate with his suggest budget based on the Treasury report findings - how to replace 30 billion.

 

[GrahamM376]

Does this non-EU immigrant need naturalisation in addition to residence to gain that freedom? At the moment, if he turns up at Dover with a non-EU passport, it doesn't matter where he is resident, UK Border Agency can turn him away. It's much easier to gain residency than it is to gain nationality.

Not the case. We have Brazillian and other South American friends who are working in and have residence in Portugal and come and go freely into the UK. Whether they can work there I don't know but they have free entry.

 

[GrahamM376]

Many of those ex-pats are actually "holiday makers" and will probably remain so. The formal residents will probably be given some special status, like in Portugal, with no income tax asked for 10 years. After 10 years, things might change.
I wonder how much tax income the ex-pats are actually worth.

Very little tax income except for VAT but in common with other resident boat owners we spend thousands of euros here (those in marinas spend lots more) and that generates employment.

 

[Capt Popeye]

After Brexit, the reverse will be true, a cut in pensions will be based on "because we left the EU" argument. See Osborne today.

Humm, yep so if Osborne cannot hack the UK economy outside the EU then the answer is simple, sack Osborne, for what Osborne is really saying, is that he is useless outside the EU, that's the only reason that our UK cannot recover and leap ahead.