Boatyard won’t release boat

[TernVI]

Time to buy a solicitor a few drinks at the sailing club.

Lesson for the rest of us, keep it simple and remember that a yacht out of the water is a liability.

 

[Refueler]

Time to buy a solicitor a few drinks at the sailing club.

Lesson for the rest of us, keep it simple and remember that a yacht out of the water is a liability.

Maybe buyer should have got seller to launch the boat for test sail at start of deal ?? Before Yard got wind of the sale ??

Too late now of course ...

 

[Caraway]

I would guess the boat was never going to get its bottom wet whilst the yard is owed money.

 

[TernVI]

I would guess the boat was never going to get its bottom wet whilst the yard is owed money.

As it says on some invoices 'no cash, no splash'.

 

[Concerto]

Lesson for the rest of us, keep it simple and remember that a yacht out of the water is a liability.

Can I correct that.
Lesson for the rest of us, keep it simple and remember that owning a yacht is a financial liability.
Both in the water and out, the owner will always have continuing bills for mooring/berthing or storage.

 

[ghostlymoron]

I found this to be interesting reading: Berthing & storage: What to do when boat owners don’t pay their fees

Extract:



This does not involve a lien, and I wonder why more marinas don't use it to get rid of more abandoned boats when they outstay their welcome.

When a marina near me changed hands they put all the old boats with unpaid fees on eBay. Certainly cleared all the junk out.

 

[ghostlymoron]

Without knowing the value/price of the boat it's impossible to know whether 10% of it is significant or not worth bothering about.

 

[WayneP]

Hello all
Thanks for the responses. With regards to value, it is probably the cheapest in the boatyard at (let's say) £10K.
After some' movement' I am convinced that the seller is arranging to pay his boatyard fees. I'll remain realistic until it comes through.
As for logistics, without knowing when the money will come through it's difficult to precisely plan the Boatyard, Haulage company, and the Receiving Marina.
It seems the boatyard/marina have specific days of the week they work to, and the hauliers seem pretty busy right now. There is a 'pencilled in' plan right now so fingers crossed it works.
I'll update all on developments. Many thanks for the advice.

 

[Alfie168]

When a marina near me changed hands they put all the old boats with unpaid fees on eBay. Certainly cleared all the junk out.

They can only legally do that after making reasonable efforts to contact the owners and offer them the chance to pay up. They can also terminate the contract and ask the owner to remove the boat. You have to put a sign/notice on the boat as well as to your intentions. I think they then have to wait six months....and then they can dispose of the boats how they wish...bonfire...ebay or whatever. I'm pretty sure thats what we used to do at Leeds Sailing Club when the boat park began to fill with abandoned dinghies and the occasional pile of plywood wreckage.

 

[pvb]

Hello all
Thanks for the responses. With regards to value, it is probably the cheapest in the boatyard at (let's say) £10K.
After some' movement' I am convinced that the seller is arranging to pay his boatyard fees. I'll remain realistic until it comes through.
As for logistics, without knowing when the money will come through it's difficult to precisely plan the Boatyard, Haulage company, and the Receiving Marina.
It seems the boatyard/marina have specific days of the week they work to, and the hauliers seem pretty busy right now. There is a 'pencilled in' plan right now so fingers crossed it works.
I'll update all on developments. Many thanks for the advice.

So the seller owes roughly £4K in marina fees? That's rather a lot.

 

[Dellquay13]

So the seller owes roughly £4K in marina fees? That's rather a lot.

I imagine the marina are rather miffed.
bloke owes them £4K for his boat. He flogs it for £10K, pockets £9k which he promptly spends on a new toy, leaving them no nearer their money.

 

[penberth3]

I imagine the marina are rather miffed.
bloke owes them £4K for his boat. He flogs it for £10K, pockets £9k which he promptly spends on a new toy, leaving them no nearer their money.

Yup. Some people do live in a state of personal and financial chaos.

 

[Caraway]

I imagine the marina are rather miffed.
bloke owes them £4K for his boat. He flogs it for £10K, pockets £9k which he promptly spends on a new toy, leaving them no nearer their money.

Yes. And apparently is full on 'bonhommie' to the purchaser. I wonder how that will last if shit starts hitting fan. He seems to be rather ahead of himself.

 

[[3889]]

Yup. Some people do live in a state of personal and financial chaos.

Or else maximise their ability to enjoy life. I lack the cojones for this approach but have a sneaking admiration for those that spend now, pay (or not) later. However unfairly, it always seems to work out well for them.

 

[Dellquay13]

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[Refueler]

I find the thread interesting where so many are reading in things not written .... 2 + 2 = 5 ?

 

[penberth3]

Or else maximise their ability to enjoy life. I lack the cojones for this approach but have a sneaking admiration for those that spend now, pay (or not) later. However unfairly, it always seems to work out well for them.

I have no admiration whatsoever for people who don't settle debts and make things difficult for others.

 

[Caraway]

I have a an opinion of people like that. I refer to them as Car Salesmen. They are you best buddy until you don't buy a car or for 10 minutes, whichever comes first.

My old man was a car salesman and that is a bit unfair to him, but most others I have come across fit the bill well.

 

[steveeasy]

well to in

If the debt was owned by the man and not the boat, how could they (effectively) seize the boat under new ownership?

Well to interject I think you raise a good point. A man who is owed money Cant just say there is a lien on something without a due process (which I do not know about. So if the boat was sold or transferred prior to the lien process im not sure they could. However and its a big one, possession is 9/10 s of the law. so if they have it your probaly never get hold of it.
Now ill probably get corrected. but if its sold which this one is not, then the boat yard could not affect a lien over something that has been transfered. I dont though understand marine law either which might well counter my opinion.
Steveeasy

How slow can i be.!!

 

[Bouba]

I have no admiration whatsoever for people who don't settle debts and make things difficult for others.

But it’s possible that the yard bills were not fair and the owner disagrees with them. Perhaps for poor work, or them not caring for the boat etc