Boating what has changed

[DJE]

I'm absolutely certain that worrying about red diesel will continue for a long time to come.

I believe that the EU is banned by treaty from charging duty on fuel in the tanks of foreign visiting vessels. (Also aircraft and road vehicles).

But they are also banned from setting fire to lorries carrying lamb imports, and from blocking harbour entrances with fishing vessels. So you're probably right.

 

[neil_s]

WIth the greatest respect, (and as someone who loves that area as a pedestrian) isn't that a bit boring? I found sailing the Solent boring after a few trips. It was like always going to the New Forest for an outing.

Maybe others would but I got all the overnight trips to Cherbourg etc. out of my system years ago and now prefer a simpler life!

 

[Capt Popeye]

Has brexit affectEd your boating , this is NOT a political question.

No not at all , not never ever so ; but its made life in GB /UK safer , much safer , and about time , so we can expect to enjoy our Boating for far longer

Oh forgot , (not that we see many down here on SW coast ) but guess that the East and S East coasts have the added attention of Border Force patrolling for like minded anti EU ists from foreign countries ?

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[Poignard]

No not at all , not never ever so ; but its made life in GB /UK safer , much safer , and about time , so we can expect to enjoy our Boating for far longer

Oh forgot , (not that we see many down here on SW coast ) but guess that the East and S East coasts have the added attention of Border Force patrolling for like minded anti EU ists from foreign countries ?

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[Seven Spades]

Covid has had a much bigger impact on my sailing than anything else. I have not really had the luxuary of being able to leave the UK for more than 90 days although that I hope to change. So in short no.

However next year I am planing to go to the med and we will have to rush through the western med in 80 days to reach Montenegro, keeping 10 days in hand unless my wife can re-obtain her Irish passport which she allowed to expire. This is definitely not the way I would like to have planned my retirement. The big losers will be the western med and the Baltic states. We will probably play around in the east, Croatia, Greece, Montenegro and Turkey, the losers will be Portugal, Spain and France and eventually Croatia once it is in Schengen.

 

[Seven Spades]

For UK registered boats visiting EU ports can we now stop worrying about having red diesel in our tanks?

Yes this problem shoudl now have gone away it is covered under the Istanbul Convention 1990 (Temporary Admission) Convention Annex C
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Chapter 2. Article 4
(1) The fuel contained in the normal tanks of the means of transport temporarily admitted as well as lubrication oils for the normal use of such means of transport shall be admitted without payment of import duties and taxes and without application of import prohibitions or restrictions.

All EU countries are signatories to the convention.

 

[DJE]

Yes this problem shoudl now have gone away it is covered under the Istanbul Convention 1990 (Temporary Admission) Convention Annex C
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All EU countries are signatories to the convention.

That's the one, thanks. Might be an idea to keep a copy on board!

 

[Daydream believer]

Re the fuel. It just needs one ill informed official to mess up one's day & I do not need the hassle
I have had white in my tanks for quite a few years now. The cost saving is not really such a big deal as most of my longer trips have been abroad. That meant taking my spare cans empty & topping up everything when in arriving France etc. The receipts being retained for any concerned officials. Hence I could continue my journey with full tank (45 litre) plus 3 jerry cans spare (54 litre).

I will not change my main tank until such time that I am certain that it will not be an issue. My spare tanks will always contain white.

 

[dgadee]

Re the fuel. It just needs one ill informed official to mess up one's day & I do not need the hassle
I have had white in my tanks for quite a few years now. The cost saving is not really such a big deal as most of my longer trips have been abroad. That meant taking my spare cans empty & topping up everything when in arriving France etc. The receipts being retained for any concerned officials. Hence I could continue my journey with full tank (45 litre) plus 3 jerry cans spare (54 litre).

I will not change my main tank until such time that I am certain that it will not be an issue. My spare tanks will always contain white.

AWOL is correct. Worrying will continue.

 

[Daydream believer]

AWOL is correct. Worrying will continue.

Not at all. One just needs to adapt to the situation & accept that the country voted for a change in the way it intereacts with its trading partners.
The post is not about the politics of that, but whether it affects our boating. As far as I am concerned the fuel issue ( for me as a yachtsman- no experience of MOBOS ) was with us long before the Brexit issue. I have learned how to deal with it ( fuel) & I suggest others do as well. It is not difficult & should not cause one to "Worry" any more than ensuring one has one's papers in order- passport etc. All those things will sort themselves out in time.
That is something that one has always had to do & life goes on. Just deal with it & go sailing.

 

[Graham376]

Yes this problem shoudl now have gone away it is covered under the Istanbul Convention 1990 (Temporary Admission) Convention Annex C
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All EU countries are signatories to the convention.

I wouldn't count on that convention. A few years ago a US flagged boat was fined for having red in his tanks which he purchased in UK. Can't remember the country issuing the fine.

 

[awol]

Not at all. One just needs to adapt to the situation & accept that the country voted for a change in the way it intereacts with its trading partners.
The post is not about the politics of that, but whether it affects our boating. As far as I am concerned the fuel issue ( for me as a yachtsman- no experience of MOBOS ) was with us long before the Brexit issue. I have learned how to deal with it ( fuel) & I suggest others do as well. It is not difficult & should not cause one to "Worry" any more than ensuring one has one's papers in order- passport etc. All those things will sort themselves out in time.
That is something that one has always had to do & life goes on. Just deal with it & go sailing.

I understand the comfort that sticking their heads in the sand and ignoring reality brings to some. For others the memory of aliens' cards, regular reporting to the police, limited cash, intrusive questioning, etc. has not gone and the fear of their return is real. Yes, we will adapt but a lot of the pleasures and adventures we have had in the past will be restricted if not impossible in the future.

 

[RobF]

It seems very hard to get a berth in the South West at the moment. I am guessing that both the B and C words have contributed to this, and feel I would be foolhardy to try and speculate the contribution of each.

Otherwise, no real impact so far. I am hoping to do a return trip to Spain in the next few years, and suspect there will be some form filling I need to do. The form filling will pale into insignificance against the other preparations I'll need to make.

 

[Koeketiene]

I wouldn't count on that convention. A few years ago a US flagged boat was fined for having red in his tanks which he purchased in UK. Can't remember the country issuing the fine.

Germany - IIRC.

 

[DoubleEnder]

Has brexit affectEd your boating , this is NOT a political question.

Yes I sold my boat. Brexit was not the only reason but it was a major factor

 

[Poignard]

There's been a lot said here about the negative effects of Brexit.

Can anyone counter that by telling us of its positive effects (on boating)?

 

[Daydream believer]

I wouldn't count on that convention. A few years ago a US flagged boat was fined for having red in his tanks which he purchased in UK. Can't remember the country issuing the fine.

There is a difference. If a boat arrived from the US with red in its tanks then Ok. However, the EU insist that fuel purchased within the EU must comply with EU rules. Presumably purchasing red in the UK was deemed not to have. However, the story has been repeated a number of times & may have been distorted. I recall, rightly , or wrongly, that it has further been claimed that the country concerned was Belgium (It was said to be passing through their waters.)& the fines were later refunded. following due legal process.
All rumour, of course, so one should not let it muddy the waters.

 

[Bouba]

There's been a lot said here about the negative effects of Brexit.

Can anyone counter that by telling us of its positive effects (on boating)?

Booming second hand boat market in the UK

 

[Daydream believer]

I understand the comfort that sticking their heads in the sand and ignoring reality brings to some. For others the memory of aliens' cards, regular reporting to the police, limited cash, intrusive questioning, etc. has not gone and the fear of their return is real. Yes, we will adapt but a lot of the pleasures and adventures we have had in the past will be restricted if not impossible in the future.

I was not "ignoring" anything & as for intrusive questioning I have certainly been subjected to enough visits by French customs in the past to be well used to that.
I do not live in fear. During the last 1 hour 5 mins visit the customs officer mentioned that I seemed surprisingly relaxed. I replied " Why should I not be. You are only doing your job".
That is it really. You just work round it. that is NOT burying one's head in the sand.
If you cannot deal with an issue, & find it to hard for you, cheer up, there is lots of advice on the forum so do not give up so easily

 

[Poignard]

Booming second hand boat market in the UK

Making it even harder for the less wealthy, notably young people, to take up sailing and boating and thereby perpetuating the predominance of the old and wealthy.

Not much of benefit there, as far as I can see.