SiteSurfer
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It does occur to me that increasing numbers of sellers of older boats will be chasing a diminishing number of buyers as the years go by. It almost begs the question of whether a scrappage scheme would help.
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pvb
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I can't imagine any of these things costing 50% more on a 36ft boat versus a 32ft boat.
Minchsailor
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Believe me they do, I have the bills.
Tranona
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Would be interested to see the details showing which 32 and 36 boats and the items you claim are 50% more expensive.
Ceirwan
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Absolute rubbish. I see no evidence that the 'new generation' (whatever that even means) in any less capable than the old one.
I suspect the every 'older' generation says the same thing.
Also fettle implies, tidying up, a few easy jobs to smarten up. Most old boats require a bit more than a bit of a tidy up.
And everything is so expensive, I do 100% of the work myself, but every job I do on the boat ends up costing more than expected, even cosmetic jobs, once you add in the cost of paint, varnish, brushes etc.
It's just not economically sensible to buy a project boat unless you get a real bargain. I spent the better part of 2 years bringing my boat up scratch, next time I'll spend more and go sailing straight away.
Minchsailor
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Nicholson 32/Rustler 36
Fuel: 1.1/1.8 l/hr - 63% more
Oil change: 4/6 l - 50% more
Antifoul: 1/1.5 tins - 50% more
Halyards, braid on braid: 10/12mm £1.32/1.76/m - 32% more, but the R36 ones are longer
Jib sheets: 12/16m £1.76/3.10 m - 76% more and are longer
Anchor chain: 8/10mm - £5.77/9.47 m - 40% more
Rocna anchor: 15/20Kg - £342/465 - 36% more
Standing rigging: mix of 6 and 8mm/all 8mm and longer, seem to remember it was about 50% more
Genoa: about £1200/1880 - 50% more
Mainsail: about £1500/2800 - 46% more
Malo37
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Of course more expensive - generally in proportion to displacement.
Tranona
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Thank you for that. Think those differences are very specific to the two different boats you have used for comparison. Doubt the differences would would be anywhere near as great for example between a Bavaria 31/2/3 and a Bavaria 36. I have just downsized from a 37 to a 33 and the differences in costs are nowhere near that great. Similar sail areas, same engine, same size running rigging, smaller standing rigging, same size anchor chain and anchor. Same electronics, electrics and domestic equipment. Coppercoated so won't be buying AF!
So, won't see much difference in running costs, although being new also don't expect any significant replacements for at least 5 years.
jac
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Fair point on those but apart from fuel, oil and antifoul, they are all once every few years costs.
Mooring will be 9/8 of the cost. ( assuming they do in exact feet and don't round up to the nearest metre in which case 11/10)
lift in / out / hardstanding 9/8 the cost.
Insurance will be a factor of boat value / location / experience.
Fuel/ oil filters will be the same cost/ Ditto impellors
Electronics, safety / emergency gear the same.
In some cases the costs may be less. the 36 footer may be more comfortable to live on so you pick up a buoy moor often and avoid a marina.
So yes - some costs will be 50% more but equally some will be the same or only fractionally more.
doug748
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Absolute rubbish in paragraph 1, yet you confirm my drift in paragraph 3.
There is real evidence of social change, here are two anecdotal sources:
http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2014/feb/11/design-craft-subjects-decline-in-schools
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thin...-decline-because-todays-men-are-too-soft.html
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See Post 58 by burgundyben and the next few posts on exactly this point.
http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthrea...ymouth)-32-project-%96-best-way-to-sell/page2
Clearly the bargain boat bit is relevant but as burgundyben explains a full refit and sailing every season can be done for very reasonable money based on his experience.
Ceirwan
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Not everyone can work on a boat 8 months solid though, or necessarily have the skills to do it.
My own Sadler 25 I got for a reasonable amount with a broken engine, knackered deck hardware and lines, deck paint, topsides paint, basically all paint manky, original leaking fuel tank etc knackered batteries, rubbish wiring. Basically in need of a restoration.
The interior woodwork was fine fortunately, just in need of varnish.
In all to restore it to a good seaworthy and smart looking condition in terms of work it was probably 6 months but this was spread out over years. I did it all myself including replacing the engine.
Which is why I feel confident recommending that someone NOT do it!
I spent probably 3.5-4k on the engine and parts (not including my labor) on a boat I paid £4250 for to get a boat that's maybe worth a little bit over 6k.
Next time I shall pay that extra 2k to get a boat that doesn't need any of that, and is ready to go sailing straight away, while I enjoyed the work, I'd rather have been sailing.
Tam Lin
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Looking in eBay there are a lot of boats which haven't sold at prices that would have been absolute bargains not long ago. Also boats with no bids.
