Blue Card

Hi Kevin, Sorry I should have said an updated list. We are currently in the Gokova gulf and Marti Marina at Karacasogut no longer exists, and hasn't for about 3 years apparently. So from the list that only leaves Bodrum in Gokova, and I think only Marti Marina in Orhaniye for the Hisaronu gulf, where we are headed next. Hence I wondered if there was another more up-to-date list showing more places where you can pump out, otherwise it seems very difficult to comply.
 
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Blue card

We have just returned from cruising from Marmaris to Finike and back to Bodrum.
We were happy to try to use pump out facilities where possible so bought a Blue card- 20TL.
In the Gulf of Gocek it was easy and cheap- ie 10TL in ECE marina Fethiye and D marin Gocek. Our card was scanned and amount recorded. It was also possible to call a pump out boat but we didn’t find out this price.
From then on it was less encouraging.
In Kas marina it cost 15€!! This was a flat price for up to 1000litres- our tank holds 160 litres.
In Finike their facilities were not in operation .
In Bozborun the port official seemed bemused at our request.
In Seliyme our request met with some interest but no result.
Yat Marin, Marmaris was perhaps our worst experience. We were definitely looked upon as a nuisance and were left on the fuelling pontoon waiting attention for about an hour. It was then done by an unsophisticated portable device. Now if even 1% of the boats sailing around there in July wanted pump out it would be gridlock. We were horrified to be charged 15€- hardly an incentive to pump out.
So well done to the Gulf of Gocek.
One more thing: the Turkish coastguards came alongside in a bay near Kas but only looked at our visas-no mention of Blue Card
 
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Its not clear what is going on ,so many posts saying one thing or another,i only have a small black tank,if i put all the water from sink and shower in it,i will have to have it pumped out every day,we have no room to fit a gray tank.
 
Have just been cruising from Marmaris (Netsel) up to Bodrum, where we checked out for Greece and then checked back in at Bozburun before heading down the coast. Currently in Gocek, where after spending a few days cruising through Skopea Limani, I thought it prudent to use the pump out facilities at Skopea Marina. Except there aren't any! We used the pump out facility at Marinturk, where the guy asked how much we wanted to log and charged us 20TL. Even then the pump out was a joke as it didn't empty the tank. This whole Blue Card thing is a farce. All the charter companies are being told to clear their tanks at sea away from the bays and beaches but the gullets and mega rich launch types are still happily dumping into the bays. I witnessed one massive holding tank slick working its way through a bunch of swimmers while the passengers on the gin palace happily sat oblivious to what the crew had just done (not to mention tying off to the trees too).

Even clearing in, I was given a pump out receipt despite having openly stated that we cleared our tanks whilst on passage from Greece. Btw, no one has shown the slightest interest in Grey Water tanks. My advice is to get the card, but go on with business as usual. No one is going to ask you for it IMHO and so long as you're not dumping your tank in the bays, I'm not going to tell on you.

Cheers, PT.
 
Blue Card etc

Thanks for a helpful post Trustcott

When you cleared back in and purchased a new Transit Log were you asked to produce your Blue Card and did you use an Agent?

Thanks again
Pinetops
 
We just checked into to Turkey today at Turgutreis marina.
No mention of Blue card at any of the 5 offices I visted when doing the checkin. After getting back to the boat and mulling it over I went back to the marina office who said "if you are going to Mugla then get a card" so, as per advice above, thats what we are doing tmorrow. We dont have a grey tank, and dont even have a pump out fitting for our black tank. Ive got all these "Midnight Express" type thoughts going though my head, but so far so good !

BTW - dont know if its old news but Health, Police, Customs and Harbour Master all have offices in one building in the Marina. Quite amusing going from one office to another but agent unnecessary as they are all within 10m of each other !
 
Pinetops said:
Thanks for a helpful post Trustcott

When you cleared back in and purchased a new Transit Log were you asked to produce your Blue Card and did you use an Agent?

Thanks again
Pinetops
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In Bozburun, I was directed to use Ludos Agency in spite of wanting to do the process myself (as I was easily able to do in Greece). As a Kiwi,and with an existing 90 day visa in my wife's passport, this proved cheaper than the same service offered to another UK vessel clearing in on the same day (80 Euro as oppossed to 110). When it transpired that I was returning to Turkey I was asked if I had a Blue Card, and then asked abouthow much I wanted to declare that I had in my tanks. I explained that we had emptied them as we left Greece and no other questions were asked.

I have to say that Saleh of Ludos Agency, was very good and I would have no problem using him again but would have preferred to do this all myself if possible.

I did get a pumpout receipt from him for 1 Turkish Lira. :)

PT.
 
affinite said:
We just checked into to Turkey today at Turgutreis marina.
No mention of Blue card at any of the 5 offices I visted when doing the checkin. After getting back to the boat and mulling it over I went back to the marina office who said "if you are going to Mugla then get a card" so, as per advice above, thats what we are doing tmorrow. We dont have a grey tank, and dont even have a pump out fitting for our black tank. Ive got all these "Midnight Express" type thoughts going though my head, but so far so good !

BTW - dont know if its old news but Health, Police, Customs and Harbour Master all have offices in one building in the Marina. Quite amusing going from one office to another but agent unnecessary as they are all within 10m of each other !
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Last year at least the big difficulty in checking in yourself was that the Transit Log has to be filled in by computer, and only the agents who sold the actual log documents could do that. In earlier years you could buy the document and fill it in by hand. How did you get the form printed without an agent? I have not been to Turgutreis for a few years and bought this year's Transit Log fron an agent in Bozburun. Total cost icluding check in from Greece was 80 Euros, from the agency run by a young womam, on the other side of the street from Lodos.

I obtained my Blue Card last year from Yat Marine for 20 TL, and have never used it.
 
truscott said:
Even clearing in, I was given a pump out receipt despite having openly stated that we cleared our tanks whilst on passage from Greece. Btw, no one has shown the slightest interest in Grey Water tanks. My advice is to get the card, but go on with business as usual. No one is going to ask you for it IMHO and so long as you're not dumping your tank in the bays, I'm not going to tell on you.

Cheers, PT.
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He is absolutely right. Don't make more of the situation then needed. As Europeans we like to abide by rules, especially sensible ones. Here no one thinks before creating rules, so they don't work, but life has to go on. The system doesn't work but the laws remain. To avoid any problems, buy the card, dump prudently and when refueling, get some litres entered on the card.

Yesterday I spoke to a marina operator about what they do with the effluent collected. It appears they do not have show what they have done with the collected waste. It this instance they filter it and water the gardens!

Kevin
 
Norman_E said:
Last year at least the big difficulty in checking in yourself was that the Transit Log has to be filled in by computer, and only the agents who sold the actual log documents could do that. In earlier years you could buy the document and fill it in by hand. How did you get the form printed without an agent? I have not been to Turgutreis for a few years and bought this year's Transit Log fron an agent in Bozburun. Total cost icluding check in from Greece was 80 Euros, from the agency run by a young womam, on the other side of the street from Lodos.

I obtained my Blue Card last year from Yat Marine for 20 TL, and have never used it.
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The Marina issued it for 75euro. I then walked over to the police/customs/health/H.M. building behind the marina fuel dock and shuffled between offices getting the necessary stamps. I spoke to a couple of agents who were in the building at the same time and suprisingly friendly. Aparently the building is new and staffing hasnt been sorted out properly eg the Police and customs offices were empty when we arrived and the HM had to call then in to check us in. Still only took an hour to do though
 
We just got our new transit log and made to get a blue card by the agent,as we don't have the tanks and deck fitting to comply, i would like to know if any one has been fined or had trouble with the coast guard? before we go out with the boat.
 
Mavi Kart - Blue Card

Go into the Mugla area, check in and buy a card (20TL). Then read the back of the card

"Rules for Ships
1. All ships travelling on the marine and coasts of Mugla Province are obliged to hand over their waste born from their normal facility to a waste accepting ship or installation licensed by Ministry of Forestry and Environment.

2. It's obilgatory to show this certificate at any control. Otherwise fining and other legal procedures will be applied according to 2872 numbered Environmetal Law.

3. 73/78 MARPOL Convention articles provisions are reserved."

I rest my case your honour.
 
miyagimoon said:
3. 73/78 MARPOL Convention articles provisions are reserved.".....
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73/78 MARPOL Convention says:

"Annex IV Prevention of Pollution by Sewage from Ships (entered into force 27 September 2003)

Contains requirements to control pollution of the sea by sewage; the discharge of sewage into the sea is prohibited, except when the ship has in operation an approved sewage treatment plant or when the ship is discharging comminuted and disinfected sewage using an approved system at a distance of more than three nautical miles from the nearest land; sewage which is not comminuted or disinfected has to be discharged at a distance of more than 12 nautical miles from the nearest land."

So if you have a macerator is that an "approved sewage treatment plant"? After all it's simply making fish food.

Marpol's international regulations apply to big ships. We have always assumed if we go 3 miles off we are fine.

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The 2872 numbered Environmental Law quoted is dated 1983????????
 
Marpol and Blue Cards

Marpol regulations exempt vessels with 15 or fewer passengers from annex lV Sewage. Marpol makes no reference to Grey Water. I do not think the reference to Marpol on the back of the Blue Card is particularly relevant to small yachts. The 3 mile figure is a recommendation for vessels not covered by Marpol, not a regulation.

By the way the Antalya Blue Card has the same wording but refers to Antalya Province - but surely one does not need 2 cards!

What does "waste born from their normal facility mean?"

Various publications and documents use different terminology but the State Law defines Waste as including Black, Grey and Bilge water and states it must not be discharged anywhere in Turkish waters. This is of course unworkable and not what the authorities are currently applying.
 
sailinglegend420 said:
73/78 MARPOL Convention says:

"Annex IV Prevention of Pollution by Sewage from Ships (entered into force 27 September 2003)

Contains requirements to control pollution of the sea by sewage; the discharge of sewage into the sea is prohibited, except when the ship has in operation an approved sewage treatment plant or when the ship is discharging comminuted and disinfected sewage using an approved system at a distance of more than three nautical miles from the nearest land; sewage which is not comminuted or disinfected has to be discharged at a distance of more than 12 nautical miles from the nearest land."

So if you have a macerator is that an "approved sewage treatment plant"? After all it's simply making fish food.

Marpol's international regulations apply to big ships. We have always assumed if we go 3 miles off we are fine.

PS:

The 2872 numbered Environmental Law quoted is dated 1983????????
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Comminution is the process in which solid materials are reduced in size, by crushing, grinding and other processes.[1][2] It occurs naturally during faulting in the upper part of the Earth's crust[3] and is an important operation in mineral processing, ceramics, electronics and other fields. Within industrial uses, the purpose of comminution is to reduce the size and to increase the surface area of solids. It is also used to free useful materials from matrix materials in which they are embedded, and to concentrate minerals

It would therefore look like a maserator or even a simple diaphragm pump does the above.

However, as others have pointed out, I am not sure that Marpol applies.

We are planning to go to Turkey next year, so it does worry us.
 
maxy said:
Yesterday I spoke to a marina operator about what they do with the effluent collected. It appears they do not have show what they have done with the collected waste. It this instance they filter it and water the gardens!

Kevin
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With what is, after all, mostly salt water ? If they are really doing that it is an environmental disaster in its own right.
 
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