Appleyard
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There will be a mad scramble next year with people leaving Turkey because of the blue card ,meeting those fleeing from Greece and its economic woes.
Hope they are all au fait with the colregs.
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There will be a mad scramble next year with people leaving Turkey because of the blue card ,meeting those fleeing from Greece and its economic woes.
Hope they are all au fait with the colregs.
affinite
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Could be the perfect storm around Crete if Italy go the way of Greece and they head for the exits also. You can forget your Coll Regs then 
Appleyard
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Could be the perfect storm around Crete if Italy go the way of Greece and they head for the exits also. You can forget your Coll Regs then
I don't think that the Italians have a word for colregs!!
Dig
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Don't know where you get the idea we are British from ,i told you we have a British flagged boat and the CG told us at the time of his visit ,the blue card is being put in to practice later this year.so to me that was warning that next time if we get checked again we better be using one.
I guess Mr Squeaky is one of those Expats that just stays on his boat all year in the Marina and never gos out.
jimbaerselman
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Nice one!
How about adding the hordes fleeing over-priced Italian marinas? €100 a night for 12m will quickly pay off a few Turkish fines, so that's where they're heading. Towing plastic torpedoes with pipes leading into them from the shower outlets. Come on guys, think outside the box!
Better still, all the latest hot news about what's going on in the Med will be discussed at the Cruising Association on Sunday 27 November. You won't get better data on what to do with Turkish grey water or Greek economic chaos. Some places left. See http://www.cruising.org.uk/node/14663 - open to non-members, Limehouse Dock, on the DLR, east London.
Appleyard
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Like many on the forum I would be interested in coming along,however as I am a fair trek from London it is not possible.
Is there any chance that a transcript of the discussions could be put online here,as well as Jim's talk on Greece.?
jimbaerselman
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The presentations are usually very condensed versions of stuff available on public web sites. For instance, Vyv Cox's site for engineering stuff, my site for places stuff, Frank's weather for . . . you get the drift.
The real value is the question/answer dialogue, which is very like this forum, but being face to face is much quicker - and err - much more polite, as well! That's where detail gets fleshed out, with fingers pointing at maps and so on.
There are hand-outs for the presentations; these will be posted on the member's part of the CA web site. I'll ask what can be done for non-members who can't attend - maybe a print package or pdf downloads for a fee. Depends on staff workload (labour costs!) and volunteer time.
Meanwhile, all the maps used in my talk are on my site. People liked the blue blobs for nice places to visit! The photos aren't on the site yet - another month yet.
Dig
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I picked this up from your site,will you be posting a up date later?
Fluid Waste Discharge. Discharge of both 'black water' (sewage) and 'grey water' (shower or washing up water) is forbidden within 12nm of the shore, so holding tanks are essential (even if not legally required). Policing has been mainly through a local complaint being made to a harbour authority. Those without grey water store facilities should only pump out with great discretion. Fines are heavy.
newFluid Waste Control. In the Mugla region (SW Turkey, from Bodrum peninsula to Fethiye) a law has been passed requiring locally based vessels to carry "Blue Cards" (smart cards) which will monitor the discharge of fluid waste from holding tanks into local pump-out facilities. Implementation has started in Goçek and will apply there in 2012.
jimbaerselman
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With one possible error (the Blue cards may not be smart cards) that's the best information I have.
On regulations I aim to be as up to date as possible, with weekly trawls through web sites, and emails to sources on the spot if I hear rumours of change. Comments posted on my web site are also very valuable.
On regulations I aim to be as up to date as possible, with weekly trawls through web sites, and emails to sources on the spot if I hear rumours of change. Comments posted on my web site are also very valuable.
Dig
Active Member
What a shock
I was walking down a pontoon in Netsel Marina as i was passing a small Turkish boat the guy on board was tipping oily waste over board.i was shocked when i told him you will get fine for that he replayed[ no i wont i am Turkish ] one rule for them then?
I was walking down a pontoon in Netsel Marina as i was passing a small Turkish boat the guy on board was tipping oily waste over board.i was shocked when i told him you will get fine for that he replayed[ no i wont i am Turkish ] one rule for them then?
satsuma
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Why would he get a fine? Just because there is a rule or even a law in place? Rules or laws do not automatically translate into enforcement or penalties!
In any event, why not one rule for them? It is their country after all?
Dig
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Has there been news on he Blue Card ? and i have herd marina fees have gone up 50% in TL at Marmaris Marinas?
Squeaky
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Good evening:
Dig: Has there been news on he Blue Card ? and i have herd marina fees have gone up 50% in TL at Marmaris Marinas?
You are obviously in a marina in Marmaris so why don't you ask for the latest prices yourself without trying to create further rumours? If you are curious about how much the costs have increased in liras you can find out very easily by going to xe.com and checking the exchange rate for the lira vers the currency you use at the time you paid and currently.
In any case the increase in lira should not be of great concern to you unless, of course, you are earning and paying in lira. I suspect you are paying with hard currency therefore the exchange rate against the lira is of no interest. The exchange rate of sterling against the euro might well be of interest.
You have posted several negative sounding posts here which makes me wonder if you are unhappy with life in Turkey and trying to convince others that it is not a great place to winter.
As mentioned by Satsuma, there are rules and then there are rules which in Turkey seem to be optional and more for guidance than enforcement. In any event if you really want to be popular I suggest you report any infringement you see in future and see what happens when it is discovered that you were the one that reported it.
Cheers
Squeaky
Dig: Has there been news on he Blue Card ? and i have herd marina fees have gone up 50% in TL at Marmaris Marinas?
You are obviously in a marina in Marmaris so why don't you ask for the latest prices yourself without trying to create further rumours? If you are curious about how much the costs have increased in liras you can find out very easily by going to xe.com and checking the exchange rate for the lira vers the currency you use at the time you paid and currently.
In any case the increase in lira should not be of great concern to you unless, of course, you are earning and paying in lira. I suspect you are paying with hard currency therefore the exchange rate against the lira is of no interest. The exchange rate of sterling against the euro might well be of interest.
You have posted several negative sounding posts here which makes me wonder if you are unhappy with life in Turkey and trying to convince others that it is not a great place to winter.
As mentioned by Satsuma, there are rules and then there are rules which in Turkey seem to be optional and more for guidance than enforcement. In any event if you really want to be popular I suggest you report any infringement you see in future and see what happens when it is discovered that you were the one that reported it.
Cheers
Squeaky
Dig
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Seems the prices at Y Marina have gone up a lot,i was a bit shocked how much .we payed 6875 TL last year and it has now gone up to 10780 TL ,we are going to look around at other places,as all this Talk about the Blue card is also a worry.
Squeaky
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Good evening:
Dig: Seems the prices at Y Marina have gone up a lot,i was a bit shocked how much .we payed 6875 TL last year and it has now gone up to 10780 TL ,we are going to look around at other places,as all this Talk about the Blue card is also a worry.
I think if you investigate further that the increase might not be as much as your calculations indicate as I think the cost is quoted in Euros and that is the currency you should use for comparison. Last years cost in euros compared to this years cost in euros. Admittedly the increase when converted to TL will indicate a massive increase because the exchange rate has changed so much.
In Nov 2010 the euro converted to 1.97 TL but now it converts to 2.46 TL.
Just a suggestion.
Yat Marina seems pretty popular over the past few years and they might well have decided to take advantage of this popularity without realizing that logically a fair and reasonable cost might have contributed or even been a major factor in this popularity and that such a large increase might well see their popularity disappear. It wouldn't be the first time a marina made such a mistake and lived to regret it.
Cheers
Squeaky
Dig: Seems the prices at Y Marina have gone up a lot,i was a bit shocked how much .we payed 6875 TL last year and it has now gone up to 10780 TL ,we are going to look around at other places,as all this Talk about the Blue card is also a worry.
I think if you investigate further that the increase might not be as much as your calculations indicate as I think the cost is quoted in Euros and that is the currency you should use for comparison. Last years cost in euros compared to this years cost in euros. Admittedly the increase when converted to TL will indicate a massive increase because the exchange rate has changed so much.
In Nov 2010 the euro converted to 1.97 TL but now it converts to 2.46 TL.
Just a suggestion.
Yat Marina seems pretty popular over the past few years and they might well have decided to take advantage of this popularity without realizing that logically a fair and reasonable cost might have contributed or even been a major factor in this popularity and that such a large increase might well see their popularity disappear. It wouldn't be the first time a marina made such a mistake and lived to regret it.
Cheers
Squeaky
Dig
Active Member
Thats true but we are one of the unlucky ones who invested owner savings in TL a year ago,thats why its so big a rise for use.
Squeaky
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Good evening:
Dig: Thats true but we are one of the unlucky ones who invested owner savings in TL a year ago,thats why its so big a rise for use.
Wow, in addition to massive increase in the exchange rate, I imagine you need such a large increase in marina prices like you need a hole in the head. Almost like kicking a man when he is down.
I can only imagine how you must feel.
Cheers
Squeaky
Dig: Thats true but we are one of the unlucky ones who invested owner savings in TL a year ago,thats why its so big a rise for use.
Wow, in addition to massive increase in the exchange rate, I imagine you need such a large increase in marina prices like you need a hole in the head. Almost like kicking a man when he is down.
I can only imagine how you must feel.
Cheers
Squeaky
affinite
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Update
I spoke yesterday with a representative of the Marmaris Chamber of Shipping at their stand at LIBS. He told me that the discharge law IS being enforced using the blue card system.
He also told me that, if your vessel is inspected by the coastguard in the Marmaris area, they will expect you to have a "Blue Card" and they will expect it to show that you have pumped out your waste water at a pump out station. The card will be expected to show that, at each pump out, the ammount of waste pumped out was 45lt x no of adults on board x no of days since last pump out.
So by my calculations, a yacht with 4 people on board sailing for 3 days in between pump-outs would br expected to have recorded 540 ltr of waste water having been pumped.
How many yachts have 540 ltr holding tanks ?
I cant see how the flotila and charter yachts will accomodate this when some of them are carrying 8 or more people on board, it looks like my plans to visit Turkey this year are shelved.
I spoke yesterday with a representative of the Marmaris Chamber of Shipping at their stand at LIBS. He told me that the discharge law IS being enforced using the blue card system.
He also told me that, if your vessel is inspected by the coastguard in the Marmaris area, they will expect you to have a "Blue Card" and they will expect it to show that you have pumped out your waste water at a pump out station. The card will be expected to show that, at each pump out, the ammount of waste pumped out was 45lt x no of adults on board x no of days since last pump out.
So by my calculations, a yacht with 4 people on board sailing for 3 days in between pump-outs would br expected to have recorded 540 ltr of waste water having been pumped.
How many yachts have 540 ltr holding tanks ?
I cant see how the flotila and charter yachts will accomodate this when some of them are carrying 8 or more people on board, it looks like my plans to visit Turkey this year are shelved.
nimbusgb
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12v applied to a smart card in the right place will kill it. Wonder what the process is for an unreadable smart card? Enough 'failures' and the whole scheme will fall flat.
nimbusgb
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How many marina's will have say 300 000l sewage holding tanks? ( 1 weeks worth of 2 person pumpouts in a 500 boat marina? ) That's about 6 full sized road tankers of sewage!
