Blue Angel (Canados 70s) Rebuild thread
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z1ppy
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Bart,
just read your article in last months MBY. great to see the progress you have made! you must be very happy! boat looks amazing!!!
just read your article in last months MBY. great to see the progress you have made! you must be very happy! boat looks amazing!!!
BartW
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Yeah, i get your point. I wasn't going to order them on Match, but did at last minute. I'm really glad I did and will order them on next boat. They are in position 99% of time. If I am tied up side-on to a low quay, I need to remove one or two rails for passengers to get on the boat but I had extra holes put in the deck so i can put them in a different position. Normally they are like this, 99% of time:
But for port side to berthing (fe) they can be like this (not great pic sorry):
OK you convinced me,
I'll put them on the list for the metalworker;
- SS removeable platform side rails
- SS side rails along the engines in the E/R, for safety down there but most of all because I like them, as I have seen a very nice example in a ORY not that long ago
- SS foldeable dive ladder , I have prepared a drawing,
will post and asc comment on this, but would like to do some diving first, and reconsider the details now that we have the new platform.
BartW
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No big deal, he must have a huge one already.
Did you see where the winches are placed inside the cockpit?
It must have been a popular choice among IT builders, some decades ago: place the winches wherever appropriate for maneuvering, without bothering about the crew feet...
Been there, done that.
I suggested foldable cleats for the red position, anyway.
I think I'll do all,
- the fixed cleats on the transom (blue position), as I believe spring lines should be fixed there
- the foldable cleats on the fixed platform, ao for fixing a side fender,
could be usefull while mooring in windy conditions, as experienced yesterday.
(unless I can use the side rail poles for that
)- foldable cleats on the hi lo platform for temporarely fixing the tender
thanks Mapism for the link to these foldable cleats,
exactly the same model as the original Canados.
BartW
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thanks z1ppy,
I begin to realise that I'm obsessed,
is there a remedy for this desease ?
BartW
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jfm
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is there a remedy for this desease ?
No. When we get old we will club together and build our own boat-geeks asylum
BartW
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That transom/lazarette access is going to be so valuable to you and your diving guests, by keeping all the heavy, wet, bulky gear away from the civilized entertainment areas
Are you going to fit air bottle racks in the lazarette, either side of the door?
indeed C, we are very very pleased that we found this solution with the dive gear,
remember at early stage of this project, we still intended to place the tanks and gear on the cockpit.
(was the main reason for the new steps !?!?!?)
After we had the idea for the transom door, only then we considered placing dive gear downstairs.
have a look at the pictures, foto with the tank,
on these 3 benches (yet unpainted) we will place the dive sets fully prepared with jacket, stages, ...
divers can sit in front of it, attach this on their back, stand up and go up to the platform (thats the way we do this usually on liveaboards)
the lazarette is too small for more then 3 or 4 divers at a time,
but they could first place a few sets on the platform, and while sitting on the fixed platform (hi lo lowered), the other 3-4 divers could use this method to attach a set.
....
you must come and see it to understand
BartW
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V,
more noice reduction in the saloon has never been the aim,
for that you need rubber or lead on the ceiling, and lots of it,
and even then sound is coming through the air vents, side walls, doors, etc...
I didn't notice difference in the saloon compared to before,
had some sleep on the sofa during the return trip, so not too bad...
should take my dB meter and do some measurements and compare with others...
but inside the E/R BIG difference compared to previous old situation,
Alfonso noticed himself without me asking,
before you could not go in there during cruising without ear protection,
now still lots of noice, but not ear bleeding.
I'm so sorry you missed the trip..
BartW
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No. When we get old we will club together and build our own boat-geeks asylum
ooooh nooooooo
then we will be stuck there with MapisM, telling us that we had better had displacement boats
BartW
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this is rockwool with a black, non woven, fire resistant- tissue fixed on one side.
this product is standard available in Belgium, 15euro/m2.
It came on the trailer with the platform.
any "marine" acoustic product at a chandler in Italy was minimum 100euro/m2
mmmm you know I like to hear that
BartW
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Yeah, i get your point. I wasn't going to order them on Match, but did at last minute. I'm really glad I did and will order them on next boat. They are in position 99% of time. If I am tied up side-on to a low quay, I need to remove one or two rails for passengers to get on the boat but I had extra holes put in the deck so i can put them in a different position. Normally they are like this, 99% of time:
But for port side to berthing (fe) they can be like this (not great pic sorry):
J,
do you know the oem supplier for these side rails
or does Fairline make this in house ?
or can you provide dimensions ?
I know a VERY good SS specialist in Fiumicino
jfm
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Bart
Fairline use several OEM suppliers os these types of s/s components. Lots of firms can make them. Height above deck 775mm
You need to create a "detent" to hold them in. If you just have plain simple sockets you will lose them. Google for s/s devices called "Spring Plunger" eg here and here
The deck sockets contain a lathe-turned component, to create an annular ring for the spring-ball to "click" into. The male spigot at bottom of the 30mm tube is also machined, and drilled to make a threaded hole for the spring plunger to screw into. See section sketch below.
You must put the spring plungers in with loctite. Mine weren't, and then unscrewed with vibration and the "dead" end got into the annular groove, so I couldn't remove them (it got fixed under warranty!).
RobWales
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Hmmm "jfm" knows a bit about engineering too! for a fag packet drawing it could pass muster!
****e....that sounded condecending! not meant to be but as an engineer I'm quite impressed............
****e....that sounded condecending! not meant to be but as an engineer I'm quite impressed............
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jfm
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Oi Rob! I could have done it in SolidWorks but fag packetery is much more friendly. That's not any old fag packet though. Note the fine detial: for example the cross hatching goes into the thread where the thread is empty, but not where there is a threaded component screwed into the thread. That is pure BS308 engineering drawing that is. And done here on the boat, and scanned in and 3G-ed from South of France
burgundyben
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Oi Rob! I could have done it in SolidWorks but fag packetery is much more friendly. That's not any old fag packet though. Note the fine detial: for example the cross hatching goes into the thread where the thread is empty, but not where there is a threaded component screwed into the thread. That is pure BS308 engineering drawing that is. And done here on the boat, and scanned in and 3G-ed from South of France
Off topic a bit but I particularly like your London pattern fag packet screwdriver.
vas
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jfm,Oi Rob! I could have done it in SolidWorks but fag packetery is much more friendly. That's not any old fag packet though. Note the fine detial: for example the cross hatching goes into the thread where the thread is empty, but not where there is a threaded component screwed into the thread. That is pure BS308 engineering drawing that is. And done here on the boat, and scanned in and 3G-ed from South of France
so what are you exactly, I'm confused!
looks like you're trained engineer, work in legal/finance/whatever but not engineering and have a naval arch hobby
nice sketch btw
ah, and since we're in thread drift mode, if you get 10mins and the weather is right, could you please retake the pics of the Mystere in your marina?
cheers
V.
rafiki_
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Oi Rob! I could have done it in SolidWorks but fag packetery is much more friendly. That's not any old fag packet though. Note the fine detial: for example the cross hatching goes into the thread where the thread is empty, but not where there is a threaded component screwed into the thread. That is pure BS308 engineering drawing that is. And done here on the boat, and scanned in and 3G-ed from South of France
Where is note you see on most engineering drawings, "if in doubt ask"?
MapisM
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Naah, I never tried to convince anyone.then we will be stuck there with MapisM, telling us that we had better had displacement boats
I choose for myself when I was 40, but I understand that it can take longer for others people to see the light!
Mind, jfm already began talking of CNB...
MapisM
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Yep, very accurate indeed.
In fact, it makes me wondering if I'm missing some good reason why the annular groove in the deck socket seems to interrupt the centerline...?
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