Best seakeeping boat 40-48feet

PowerYachtBlog said:
One of many, I know of at least four interested in buying Itama.

IIRC???? He did not, still visible in the Itama page.
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Four? All drunk when you met them? Go ahead, name and shame, now you're making me curious!

Ref. my IIRC, if by still visible you mean IYS, of course it's still there - who else could they find? :ROFLMAO:
When I said "he parted ways with FG", I meant their former CEO, who left IYS to join SL even if in a much lower position - 'nuff said...
In fact, when you said their dealer was interested to take over the brand, I guessed he himself (more than IYS as a company) could have been the one who came up with such silly proposition.

Then again, glad to hear more about the queue of Itama fans anxious lo dump their money in the bin - if they do exist, that is!
 
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Portofino said:
Hence Itama despite courtiers has remained within the FG portfolio.
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Courtiers? Courtiers?!? :ROFLMAO:
Do you mean yourself, PYB, and a dozen of other fanboys?
Christ, even your good self couldn't stand anymore what you always pretended is the best boat of the planet - while in real world it's just the most impractical - and eventually got rid of it! :unsure:

Anyway, happy to be proved wrong.
My previous invitation to PYB to name names still stands also with you, of course.
 
MapisM said:
Four? All drunk when you met them? Go ahead, name and shame, now you're making me curious!
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Just because you do not perceive the value of something, it does not mean it does not have value.
Do you know the tale of the daughter who is given an old car to sell.... You should read it a few times.

Name in a forum,,,, Lol why should I.... One of them might as well be named Paolo as he could have been Giacomo.
There is no shame in buying a brand they think it has value while do not. Some said the same to N.Ferretti when they bought Riva in 1999.
Now it is the most valuable brand of all FG, with Louis Vuitton rumoured to have offered more then the sum the Chinese paid for 62% of FG.

IYS was never an Itama dealer, he was Ferretti best dealer after they went belly up in around 2011/12 and they like split and were reborn a year later.
 
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riverliver said:
Just came across this thread - A friend bought a new Fjord 41XL last year kept in Majorca but for various reasons I couldn't get out to play last year - maybe this summer. Would be interested in PowerYachtBlog and other experts view on it (if only so I can stroke my chin thoughtfully when I see it and and pretend I know what I am talking about). FWW he is very happy with the purchase so surprised it hasn't appeared here.
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The Fjord and Pardo are currently the most successful in the modern Euro-looking walk-around cabin boats which apart having full length out-door space offer decent accommodation inside.
Are they the best definitely not, and the seakeeping is okay but not super.
Pardo is a bit better to the Fjord in both detailing and finishes and seakeeping.
I think the best of these more popular WA is the Solaris Power, very proven hull design by Acampora, and the detailing is super good, but I can understand that is traditional-modern looking might make a minimal style love prefer the Pardo and or Fjord.
If you like something more traditional I would also have a look at the Aprea Gozzo and Lancia Aprea.
There is some other interesting options, the Fiart would also be in the top of my list for example, and less known yard Domina CNT have a hull coming near to a Magnum copy with 24 degrees deadrise aft.
And if you like the super modern looking there is also Wally to think, although this one does give less accommodation to all of the above.
The sector is very competitive at the moment, and all seem to be doing well. Even the modern looking Italyure, is doing well, they sold forty plus of the 38, ten plus 35s which debuted in 2023 and have already sold three of 50, with the first which launched just before Christmas and still undergoing final testing.
If you want a WA you are spoiled for choice, as everyone seems to be interested in that cake, following the success of the Pardo 43 which since 2017 has sold in 500 units thus far.
 
All the nice boats mentioned by PYB are modern WA, bought mostly by charter companies for daily use.
WA are definetly interesting for rentals, but you loose a lot of volume internally.
They are not targeted for the private client.

Itama, XL Marine, Rizzardi and Riva are the only ones that propose a "modern" open boat but with standard internal volume that can be used also for cruising.
You might say they look old and nothing new. To me this is exactly their beauty.

The only modern feature that I would add is a sort of solid T Top, in replacement of the canvas biminis.
Riva is already proposing that on the 48 Dolceriva and 56 Rivale. But I am not convinced yet about the result...
At Cannes festival they told me that they are proposing on the Rivale a similar top as the Diable but with additional movable wings to let air enter the cockpit. Very interesting.
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Yea it’s was launched recently 11-7-25 ) .It’s been all over there socials .
Been in development for a while ….they are simply responding to what buyer are asking / want . 54 or 50-60 is the new intro size . They told me around 1 3/4 M € was the target price @ Genoa 24 show .

That one’s not got its top on too - yet ? . I think the semi hard top coming later ?

They haven’t lost the legendary sea keeping btw . There’s no brand dilution .
 
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Portofino said:
Yea it’s was launched recently 11-7-25 ) .It’s been all over there socials .
Been in development for a while ….they are simply responding to what buyer are asking / want . 54 or 50-60 is the new intro size . They told me around 1 3/4 M € was the target price @ Genoa 24 show .

That one’s not got its top on too - yet ? . I think the semi hard top coming later ?

They haven’t lost the legendary sea keeping btw . There’s no brand dilution .
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I would imagine that the sea keeping improves as they get larger
 
Bouba said:
I would imagine that the sea keeping improves as they get larger
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Of course . But comparing like for like within each size groups .

Remember they FG have many brands and in this case build the Itama alongside the Pershing and one other under the same roof / factory. So it’s easy to manufacture. They have a central NHV innovation centre and if something comes through from the research that will benefit and be economically viable it’s quickly dispersed to the brands in the portfolio.

Eg imagine if Fairline wasn’t in continuous financial upheaval. Did not have to stand alone .They were swallowed up by Sunsseker and manufacturered @ Poole , The ave annual out put of 300 boats consisted of 18 FL s . When a punter wanted a FL , they simply inserted one in the line . If some new fan gelled concealed windscreen tint ( or what ever improvement ) was invented by SS they simply started using the new thing on FLs as well .

That’s how FG operate . A single brand does not have to stand alone they can keep there own identity.
Share all the R+D across the range and share manufacturing facilities, marketing , top level back office etc etc .
 
Ferretti Group has always done a top job in operating separating brands, and in keeping the unique identity of each.

Azimut-Benetti Group, Sanlorenzo Group, NextGen Group (Maiora/AB Yachts/CBI) did as good, though with a product range not as complicated and diverse as FG.

Itama, Riva, Pershing and Wally have all the feel of very esclusive brands, but all are all serial production production which give that custom and unique feel to it.
But apart this, the similarity between the products stop there. They are very different products, and FG was very good in exploiting the features of each.

A Pershing, Riva, and Wally do not have the deep Vee hull of 22 deadrise aft, but an Itama does not have the wood detailing of a Riva the cabin comfort of a Pershing.
Detailing and finishing into the future you have Pershing and Wally which are both give a different interpretation of modernity.

The next couple of years will be interesting for Pershing and Itama as FG is starting to enter new designers, and a new interpretation of the style (see Pershing GTX and new Itama 54).

The exterior designers for these brands are as important as the name themselves.
Ferretti and Zucccon and now Salvetti as is Pershing and De Simoni, Righini and now Mancini with Azimut.
 
marcochi76 said:
But doesn’t the tunnel ruin the purpose of the deep v?

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Hi , thx for the invite @ Cannes this yr . I am busy that WE on a car event jaunting around the alps / Italy with mates and one of my Ferraris . I ,ll be equally “ car “ busy for the Genoa dates . Genoa is better in terms of getting a ride .
We usually get a invite to the preview at Monaco the WE ( few day s B4 Cannes ) where the FG exhibit fleet muster .
These are wet shows you certainly do get to helm . Try and blag a day there . Afraid I can’t make that either .

TBh quite enjoying a break from boats .

Your Q ?
As I said the research team and NVH and other innovations ….they look like semi tunnels to lower the shaft angle and some what I guess reduce the NVH ? . As far as the 22 deadrise it indicative …the only number you get . A lot depends on how the rest of the V pans out to the bow ,the fine entry the middle sections etc . The balance interns of CoG and CoL for pitch mitigation in terms of machinery placement.Plus much more . So really a total package .

When myself and PYB spoke to the “ tream “ at Genoa 24 we were shown pictures / renders of the interiors and the cockpit + much more . Asked to comment - which we did .
They did say no 1 would be ready for next yrs exhibition season ….so they appear on track .
I understand they have gone for the I6 Mans at what ever Hp they currently are .
Obviously that might have changed FWIW .
The renderings we saw had a centre console , with steps central through a pantograph door to the fwd deck .
As said a semi flex permanent HT but not canvas .
We even suggested flip out lateral seats on the helm to go from 2 to 4 pax on the centre station .

The first vs seems to have gone back to trad Itama cockpit layout …..hmm !
Maybe as PYB says FG group might do various customisations ? or already have the MK 2 54 linked up ?

I took a 62 out of Monaco a few yrs back with V12 MANs …..it was super smooth and silent engine wise .
As you advanced the throttles you heard the wind and waves . You couldn’t feel and vibration or really hear the motors revving up . As a self confessed petrol head normally with toys as you inc the revs the engine note increases be a a car or bike .This didn’t. The only way to know the rpm was to see it on the screens .
I got 42 knots out of it at WOT ( on 60 hrs ) bow stayed level , it turned no different at 42 than its cruise at 34 knots .

So I expect they pretty much tank tested the 54 hull and the semi tunnels lower shaft angle with a bit more stern suction , stern suction that’s been written out by another tweak is more of a NVH thing ??

They also told us when we quizzed them on why 54 , why a new hull ? ….they told us “ it what the customers are requesting “ they gave us the impression it what folks want .
I suspect it aimed a villa ( 2 nd property owners ) day run about ….to quickly get to the anchorage fir the day and quickly get back in comfort unfazed by the afternoon blow ups .

I doubt it’s focused internally….your Q on extended live aboard / camping . TBH No Itama ever were .
That’s not to say you couldn’t live aboard …we did . When we couldn’t be arsed going to our house in Antibes .

That’s why its little understood on this forum bcz it’s populated by “ campers “ not property owners who happen to have a boat . A “camper “ will naturally gravitate towards a FB . Obviously.
We did enjoy it , it opened up a whole new boaty experience after the Sunseeker .
The experience ( if I understand your thread ? ) you are seeking ?

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Those holes at the sides ? If they are exhausts then suspect again a new NVH innovative.
The former had one huge hole near the middle
 
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