Best seakeeping boat 40-48feet

[PowerYachtBlog]

I doubt it’s focused internally….your Q on extended live aboard / camping . TBH No Itama ever were .
That’s not to say you couldn’t live aboard …we did . When we couldn’t be arsed going to our house in Antibes .

That’s why its little understood on this forum bcz it’s populated by “ campers “ not property owners who happen to have a boat . A “camper “ will naturally gravitate towards a FB . Obviously.
We did enjoy it , it opened up a whole new boaty experience after the Sunseeker .
The experience ( if I understand your thread ? ) you are seeking ?

Back in the original Amati line up the Itama 38 has always been the Summer residence boat.
You have a house in Naples or Rome or Tuscany area sea side areas and have a daily run to the nearby islands and back (whether its Capri, Ponza, and or Elba).

The 46 and 54 (54 was the flagship back in the nineties) were considered as Summer cruising boats and most of them were used as much.

It is fair to say that the usage of medium sized boats and yachts have made a switch since and after 2010, people use them more sporadically, with the two weeks to one month cruise reduced and for some not being made anymore. If before it was a 50% today might be as low as 10-20% in some area.
Probably the only exception to this is the North Adriatic Italian user who still go in Croatia for those cruises.

 

[MapisM]

They haven’t lost the legendary sea keeping btw . There’s no brand dilution .

And how exactly can you tell that?
This announced 54 looks almost a toy in comparison to the "original" Amati's one, which was a beast.
Beamier, powered by V12 engines almost twice as large as the current i6, inline shafts rather than V-drives transmission, and straight V-hull with no tunnels whatsoever.
You've got to decide, methinks:
- either the Amati recipe (inline shafts for optimal weight distribution, and so forth) was just what the doctor ordered, and therefore the brand dilution of current FG boats is off the scale, OR
- Amati wasted his whole life designing boats that could be built at a fraction of the cost - as FG is now doing - with no perceivable drawbacks.

 

[Portofino]

And how exactly can you tell that?
This announced 54 looks almost a toy in comparison to the "original" Amati's one, which was a beast.
Beamier, powered by V12 engines almost twice as large as the current i6, inline shafts rather than V-drives transmission, and straight V-hull with no tunnels whatsoever.
You've got to decide, methinks:
- either the Amati recipe (inline shafts for optimal weight distribution, and so forth) was just what the doctor ordered, and therefore the brand dilution of current FG boats is off the scale, OR
- Amati wasted his whole life designing boats that could be built at a fraction of the cost - as FG is now doing - with no perceivable drawbacks.

It’s what I was informed was fundamental in the design brief about a yr ago by them @ Genoa in there hospitality stand . The CEO was there and your then gov finance minister .

From the horses mouth .

Let’s await the reviews .

They are odd shaped tunnels if you look
Not semi s deliberately cut in with an inch of prop to hull clearance . The rudders too are offset .
Additionally you have those three what appear to be exhaust outlet lateral and protruding. *

As said they the FG have a central NVH and innovation centre . Improvements are disseminated throughout the portfolios .

Let’s face it the deadline is 22 and the rest of the hull ( from u tube ) looks pretty handy re entry and mid sections .

As I said earlier FG seem to be majoring on refinement and low NVH . Listening to feedback and building boats .
Wally , Riva , Pershing and Itama .overlapping sizes . At a show you need to ride them back to back to feel the differences there are . I know where the Itama sits , hold s the crown for seakeeping and they do too . Has done for decades .

Light weight construction eg vac and more Hp from motor manufacturers accounts for the beam . You need added beam with V 12 s and tank age etc
They have the 62 which is basically that original 54 concept a V12 monster .

Seems silly to get too near that size wise . Apparently as I said when enquiring “ why 54 “ it’s what there buyers are requesting . The 45 S basically a 40 is too small and the monster 62 too big .

As I said it’s all happening in the 16 M segment. It’s where it is .

 

[Portofino]

Didn’t notice any lack of seakeeping with the 62 on V dives with V12 s . The stand out was how smooth and quiet right up to 42 knots . Expect to 54 to be similar if not better . Can’t imagine the NVH innovation guys sat twiddling thumbs for a decade trying to look busy .

 

[PowerYachtBlog]

This announced 54 looks almost a toy in comparison to the "original" Amati's one, which was a beast.
Beamier, powered by V12 engines almost twice as large as the current i6, inline shafts rather than V-drives transmission, and straight V-hull with no tunnels whatsoever.
You've got to decide, methinks:
- either the Amati recipe (inline shafts for optimal weight distribution, and so forth) was just what the doctor ordered, and therefore the brand dilution of current FG boats is off the scale, OR
- Amati wasted his whole life designing boats that could be built at a fraction of the cost - as FG is now doing - with no perceivable drawbacks.

This new 54 is more similar to the old 46/50 and the new Fifty for size volume and weight.
The old 54 and 56 replacement is more the Casali designed 62 and previous FiftyFive model.
Like the current 45 previous Forty model is a replacement to the 38.

Times has changed, his recipe were correct at the time (still are today), as they are for an air-cooled 911 as produced till 1997.
Mind you his recipe for mid-positioned engines, low shaft angle and so on, had a movement in Italy, it is not that he was the only one.
Alfamarine, Pershing (till the end 90s), Sarnico and a few others.

FG Itama is different to the Amati Itama, is that in his time it is more about building public relations and bonding,
Amati had only three dealers; South of France, Corsica and Spain, which still exist today, and even with those it was always about PR with the customer and so on.
I am not saying FG does not have this, but with Amati it was him. Not a yard manager which today is there and tomorrow he is not.

 

[marcochi76]

I just noticed that RIVA is launching a new model named 58 Capri, which is simply the Rivale 56 with the addition of a hard top.
It would be interesting if Itama would offer a similar hardtop to the new 54.
I do not like at all the T Tops. This one integrates better with the lines of the boat.
To me it would be perfect if they add a big sliding roof into the hard top

 

[marcochi76]

It looks like they designed it the correct way!
forward facing air intake is also very useful to get some fresh air when at anchor
I hope that cheaper brands will copy these ideas

 

[Portofino]

I just noticed that RIVA is launching a new model named 58 Capri, which is simply the Rivale 56 with the addition of a hard top.
It would be interesting if Itama would offer a similar hardtop to the new 54.
I do not like at all the T Tops. This one integrates better with the lines of the boat.
To me it would be perfect if they add a big sliding roof into the hard top


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Agree . Hope they evolve a HT similar for the new Itama 54 .

I would stay away from this Riva , we tested a Rivale 56 a few yrs ago now via Monaco marine in Monaco .( if I can mention them without getting my head bitten off on here )
Very surprising it was disappointing from a seakeeping perspective . I understand it’s got a low deadrise . It slammed a hell of lot . The sea state was nothing to write home about .
When you went down below , at the bottom of the stairs was the galley ….guessing mid section more or less ? Very beamy for interior vol but you feel the pounding through you feet and well as hear the bang / crashing .
Sure great vol down below .

The 44 Rivarama hasn’t got 2 cabins , just an one large ish open plan arrangement. And with family it’s was a none starter .
How ever that has a great hull and seakeeping.

Not sure why the 56 ( next size up from the 44 ) ended up a bit of Lemon seakeeping wise .It’s an anomaly.

It was this sales guy who reinforced Itama was the way to go .

This new 58 agree looks nice but definitely won’t cure your seakeeping dilemma .

Remember i have always advocated try before buying. Test it first .

 

[Bouba]

I think that in most examples posted there seems to be a correlation between seaworthiness and skin cancer. A seaworthy boat that isn’t a sun trap would be good...in my opinion

 

[marcochi76]

Agree . Hope they evolve a HT similar for the new Itama 54 .

I would stay away from this Riva , we tested a Rivale 56 a few yrs ago now via Monaco marine in Monaco .( if I can mention them without getting my head bitten off on here )
Very surprising it was disappointing from a seakeeping perspective . I understand it’s got a low deadrise . It slammed a hell of lot . The sea state was nothing to write home about .
When you went down below , at the bottom of the stairs was the galley ….guessing mid section more or less ? Very beamy for interior vol but you feel the pounding through you feet and well as hear the bang / crashing .
Sure great vol down below .

The 44 Rivarama hasn’t got 2 cabins , just an one large ish open plan arrangement. And with family it’s was a none starter .
How ever that has a great hull and seakeeping.

Not sure why the 56 ( next size up from the 44 ) ended up a bit of Lemon seakeeping wise .It’s an anomaly.

It was this sales guy who reinforced Itama was the way to go .

This new 58 agree looks nice but definitely won’t cure your seakeeping dilemma .

Remember i have always advocated try before buying. Test it first .

The one you tested Porto was the previous model: Rivale 52
I have been told the 56 is even worse: a wet boat.

A wonderful boat is the 48 Dolceriva but no idea about her sea keeping.
Also too much lacquered wood on the Dolceriva…

 

[PowerYachtBlog]

Riva have always been average on seakeeping, that's not to sat they are bad, but they are nothing to be amazed about.
It's like expecting a Rolls Royce to be a super handling car.
It is not what it's mean to be.
The thing with Riva is that the build quality then always shined through. Even if they are no super handlers, they rarely broke.

For classic Riva's the best made wa the Riva 2000 as designed by Sonny Levi. Followed by the St.Tropez/ 32 Ferrari, then the 38 Bravo which then became better when extended to becoming the 42 Caribe, 42 Malibu, and 43 Tropicana.

Most classic Riva's also had fairly flat to Medium Vee bottoms aft, even the Napier influenced Super Americas.

 

[Bouba]

I think that we need to agree on a definition of sea keeping.....I think it’s becoming clear that many mean it to be a smooth ride at thirty plus knots. A bit like Top Gear presenters don’t like super minis because they cannot go round a track as fast as a Ferrari.

 

[marcochi76]

Here are some photos of the new Itama 54, from the Ferretti private event at the Monaco Yacht Club

 

[marcochi76]

Interior layout is something new: galley and sofa at port, cabin and 2 bathrooms at starboard

 

[marcochi76]

Here is the Riva Capri 58 = RIvale 56 + a new hardtop

 

[Bouba]

Here are some photos of the new Itama 54, from the Ferretti private event at the Monaco Yacht Club

The way I see it is that no man who has a Beneteau has a right to criticize an Itama.....but...well, it’s just....no

 

[MapisM]

Don't mince your words Bouba, we want all the details of what you REALLY think!

 

[marcochi76]

Regarding the Itama, there are some good ideas:
-the sunbed area at the front is recessed, so you can "anchor" your foot to feel safer
-the interior layout is awkward, but you have everything you need
-engine noise insulation is excellent

I did not like:
-the engine room access is very narrow, through small vertical hatch. no big opening below the sunbeds as I could expect
-the bimini is a strong but fixed structure. so you cannot remove it.
-access to the front through the windscreen opening is improved, but still a bit slippery

 

[Bouba]

Don't mince your words Bouba, we want all the details of what you REALLY think!

I don’t want to upset anyone.....

 

[MapisM]

I don’t want to upset anyone.....

Why fear to upset one forumite, when you could entertain all others?