Best 32' bluewater sailboat - up to 14.000 pounds budget

Adrian_ said:
I think I found another possible winner :)

This Nic32 is equipped for bluewater cuising and I have the distinct feeling that my budget isn't going to be too small considering the yacht's location.

However, I have to consider the cost of taking my family (and all the luggage) to Panama. Overall this is one of the top 3 boats so far, clearly.
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Just bought one. LOVE it. Honestly, everything about the Nic is just my idea of what the perfect boat should be.
 
how about my Westerly Renown - new engine (50 hrs), new sails, new holding tank, new hot/cold water with calorifier, new lofrans electric windlass , new anchor chain, new stern gear, new prop, new furling gear, -----------

all within your budget and is i think what you are after! Im going bigger asap' cause im retiring. In Chichester give me a pm if your interested and we can go out for a sail
 
If you are on a limited budget and want a solid blue water cruiser you have to go a long way to beat a late mark of Nich 32 or maybe a Rustler. Both are long keel boats and will look after you long after more modern boats have given up.

There are many around the world in blue water condition.

Look carefully at the EU and RCD rules, you can work within them with care and concentrate your funds on the boat and not on taxes and trade barriers..

eg If you are an EU citizen and the boat belongs to an EU citizen who took it out of the EU, a sale completed in the EU preserves the VAT-paid status of the boat.

Or, if the boat is bought outright abroad and you bring it back into the EU as your sole home. You do not pay VAT on your home.

etc

If it can be shown that the boat was commissioned in the EU and then exported, the RCD does not apply.

There are many things to consider but with diligence you will find a sound blue-water-prepared boat at the right price.

Hint, generally, non-US-built boats sell at a significant discount in the USA. It is not a bad place to start off your blue water cruising, but be careful where you haul out. Many boatyards have an embargo on owner maintenance, but the cruising and live-aboard networks will point up the best kept secrets in most states.

Best of luck.

Hook up to the OCC or CA for their brilliant networks.
 
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rob2 said:
Yes, plug in a keyboard (I have to on mine, too).

I would suggest you bear in mind a SHE32 - fin and skeg configuration from around 1970, I believe, but quite a broad fin. Like any design that will fall within your price bracket, you won't get quite as much shoulder room as you might like - they have a fairly narrow beam but that is part of why they are excellent sea boats and can make to windward in a blow.

Just for the record, I don't own one.

Rob.
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For those who are interested the laptop seems to have sorted itself. My tactic of 'doing nothing' has worked - yippee
 
paulingreece said:
14000 grand is a good budget, i bought a Sunrise 35 from Sunsail in 2006 for 13 grand, advertised for 20, long as you don't mind doing the work. mostly cosmetic, and some tired equipment.
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There's an English guy in Kanonis yard Aigina that has bought a 1974 Carter 39 for 14,000 euro bit of a problem with the front end of the lead keel, the rest cosmetic.
 
Thank you for all the suggestions guys. Keep them coming :)

sailor22 said:
Look carefully at the EU and RCD rules, you can work within them with care and concentrate your funds on the boat and not on taxes and trade barriers..

eg If you are an EU citizen and the boat belongs to an EU citizen who took it out of the EU, a sale completed in the EU preserves the VAT-paid status of the boat.
Or, if the boat is bought outright abroad and you bring it back into the EU as your sole home. You do not pay VAT on your home.

etc

If it can be shown that the boat was commissioned in the EU and then exported, the RCD does not apply.
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Thanks a lot, this is a very useful piece of info. Can you elaborate a bit on it?

For example if I (EU citizen) buy a boat (registered in a EU country) from another EU citizen, but the transaction is made in a non-EU country (say Turkey) will the boat lose it's VAT-paid status?

And what happens if we make the papers in an EU country but the boat is still located in a non-EU country?
 
The current being a Nic 32' ? How would you rate it for living space? (I'm 6' tall and well build - played rugby back in the day :) )
 
Adrian_ said:
The current being a Nic 32' ? How would you rate it for living space? (I'm 6' tall and well build - played rugby back in the day :) )
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Well, I spent four years living on a Corribee, so relatively anything is going to be much better, but, for what it's worth from a 5' 8" skinny runt, there's loads of room.

The later revisions have a different coach roof, so I can't comment on them, though the later boats are most certainly not to be had for around 14k I suspect. However, there's about 3" above my head in the saloon, and more in the galley under the hatch. It gets low forward, but I'm fine with a stoop.

As for space in general, it's huge if you bear in mind it's a 'classic' design. That is to say, a modern boat of a comparable length would be so very much bigger down below, of course, though I know full well which one I'd want to be at sea in.

So to summarise; I can stand up. I can walk to the heads. I can sleep in a separate 'bedroom'. I can't stand whilst cooking, and have a proper galley, and there's enough storage space to contain my belongings....if, that is, I wasn't such a slovenly & disorganised character who leaves things all over the place until an hour before sailing.

Most importantly, and the very reason I fell in love with her is that she has a long keel that won't fall off, a well proven pedigree, and has been looking after her crew since 1967.
 
Adrian_ said:
Did you ment "can" instead of "can't"?

For the rest it's pretty much what I hoped to hear :)
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Oh, no, you misunderstand. There is headroom, plenty of it, but the galley is where the booze is stored, and that's the inhibitor of vertical activities.
 
Got it now :)

How do you find her under sail? I'm particullary interested in the upwind performance.
Also did you had to sail her in strong weather? How wet she gets? :p
 
Adrian_ said:
Got it now :)

How do you find her under sail? I'm particullary interested in the upwind performance.
Also did you had to sail her in strong weather? How wet she gets? :p
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Never sailed her. I only took ownership a few weeks ago and it's an 11 mile one way trip to sea. I used to take Kudu (my (former)Corribee) out around the dock often, but I need to get used to "parking" the Nic before I can do that. I've done it once, but it's way more complicated than a small boat.
 
Yup, a full keeler isn't exactly parking friendly. I guess I'll start a topic about the sailing abilities of the Nic 32 and let this one for suggestions about ... tadaaaa.... :)

Best 32' bluewater sailboat - up to 14.000 pounds budget
 
Adrian_ said:
Thank you for all the suggestions guys. Keep them coming :)



Thanks a lot, this is a very useful piece of info. Can you elaborate a bit on it?

For example if I (EU citizen) buy a boat (registered in a EU country) from another EU citizen, but the transaction is made in a non-EU country (say Turkey) will the boat lose it's VAT-paid status?

And what happens if we make the papers in an EU country but the boat is still located in a non-EU country?
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Where the boat is registered is completely irrelevant. VAT is a tax on transactions so where the sale takes place determines whether VAT is payable. If you buy in Turkey there is no VAT. However, as soon as you enter the EU it is a "chargeable event" and VAT may become payable - irrespective of whether VAT has previously been paid in a transaction involving the boat. Also the boat becomes potentially subject to meeting the requirements of the RCD.

You need to know all the details of the boat and its previous ownership history before you can be definitive about potential liability, in general VAT is payable unless you qualify for temporary importation as a non EU resident or you are classified as a returning resident - that is you have been resident in another country before returning to take up permanent residence in the EU. Most non EU boats will have to conform to the RCD.

It is, however, possible for the person who took the boat out of the EU to apply for "returned goods exemption" and bring it back in without paying VAT. Pragmatically, if the boat is in Turkey and it is owned by an EU resident, take it to Greece and carry out the transaction there. Clearly you need to keep evidence that the boat was actually there and it would pay to have the Bill of Sale notarised by a lawyer there. That should preserve its VAT paid status (assuming the boat has it already) and any VAT issues will be the responsibility of Greek customs - unlikely to be any problems!

Buying somewhere not physically close to the EU is bit more of a problem, but if the boat was built in the EEA the RCD is not a problem and at the level of value you are talking about VAT is not a huge amount of money, and only payable if you want to cruise in EU waters.

There are a lot of detail issues that might come up, but the above are the main principles. You can get more detail on the RYA site an HMRC VAT Notice No 8
 
Thank you Tranona.

What if the boat is in Turkey (for example) but the transaction between me (EU national) and another EU national is made in front of a greek official? It's not like he's going to ask to see the boat.

Would that be illegal? Or considering the fact that the transaction is done within the EU, it doesn't matter where the boat is located physically at the moment of the sale?
 
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