dunedin
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That’s because it is / was “the worlds tallest aluminium mast” - most other superyacht sloops have moved to carbon rigs to reduce the huge weight aloft.
"Bayesian" s/y sinks in Palermo
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Boathook
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2 interesting clips. Just the size of it plus all the furlers.
Chiara’s slave
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Sure. Ours would be twice as heavy if it wasn’t carbon. And if our boat was a mono, it would also be twice as heavy, so ratio the same. 22 tons with the CoG 38 metres above the deck is on a scale hard to think of for most leisure sailors.
Martin_J
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It's also intriguing how close to sea level the side decks are on Maltese Falcon (another Perini Navi boat) whilst sailing...
Sandy
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Thanks. I'll take a look in the morning.
Thankfully, things have moved on considerably since 2007.
To think what we got up to as youngsters and how things have been tightened up is interesting.
I was a member of a Mountain Rescue Team back in the 1980s we just got on and did the job. Listening to people still involved you need to do courses for this and courses for that before going on the Call-Out list.
Sandy
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Nothing really, have a watch of this
but there is a difference. No big windows and all the hatches are sealed.
Frank Holden
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Square riggers didn't have sunken entertainment areas extending to the ship's sides and BG glass doors leading to the interior.
Mister E
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When at anchor how many people prepare for unexpected hurricane force winds before going to bed?
Cheery
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None. Absolutely none, especially in the Med. The Caribbean is a different matter but most people move their boats prior to hurricane season which is shortly to commence.
Chiara’s slave
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Hurricanes are well forecasted events. Mediterranean waterspouts don’t feature on any forecast I have ever seen. You don’t go to bed thinking ‘I wonder if there’ll be a tornado in the night that could lay us flat?’ Perhaps you do now.
Mister E
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Yet there seems to be an implication from some the those on this boat should have done.
To me this seems to be on of those unavoidable accidents caused by really freak weather.
I just feel so sorry for those involved.
geem
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Caribbean hurricane season is 1st June until end of November. Peak of the season is early September.
Mister E
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I deliberately used hurricane force as this was a water spout so even more uncertainty about it happening and the direction of travel.
I certainly don't go to bed thinking that something like this could happen.
Just so sad at the outcome.
Mark-1
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I'm not sure the weight of the mast is very critical compared to the weight of wind on the sails in use or the force of a tornado on the bare mast.
Either way, presumably it's factored into the design.
Either way, presumably it's factored into the design.
Fr J Hackett
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Something that I have noticed is that they are using local firemen divers who are diving on air on a no stop basis giving them a maximum of 10 minutes bottom time. They need to get specialist divers who are qualified to use mixed gas apparatus which will extend their bottom time. There should be military clearance divers and commercial divers in Italy capable of doing that.
Baggywrinkle
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I look at the local Croatian forecast and if "isolated thunderstorms" are predicted then I'll close hatches and drop a washboard in. I also make sure the deck is clear, the anchor is set, the scope is long, there are no towels or clothing hanging on anything and that the boat is ready to start the engine and go if necessary - dinghy is secured, outboard off and on the stern rail, swim platform up, bunny pad stowed, etc. etc. I've had to evacuate anchorages a few times in the middle of the night, not because we were drifting, but because others were and we were at risk of being collected. I have once had my anchor plough very slowly through the bottom in a real blow, so we monitored and waited 'till dawn and bugged out.
If all the forecasts are settled then I'm a bit more lax.
This video was our first night at anchor on the new to us boat .... fortunately we were the only ones at anchor and I chose the spot to be in the lee of the shore .... a small motorboat sunk at its mooring during the night and got towed past us on lifting bags with a diver in the water. If you're going to get hit with 70+ knots from a microburst then the outcome is in the lap of the gods IMO.
We swung about a bit, were on 50m of 12mm chain and a Kobra anchor which held very well ... this was our track from the evening until the following day.
EDIT: Was more worried about a lightning strike than the wind, which was peaking at around 45-50 knots and it went on for about 3 hours.
Mister E
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Maybe the specialist divers will be there soon?
Mister E
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The problem for this boat was the size of the water spout that unexpectedly hit it.
Chiara’s slave
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One that could do for them would be a problem for any boat. Even a medium ship would be in trouble, you’d think.
Mister E
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That's my point how do you prepare for such an unusual event?
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