Bavaria 55 / Legend 55

[mjcp]

Why would you want a Bavaria when you could have this....

Well...

1> It's 9 years old
2> Its £50K more (Plus VAT?)
3> It has 4 berths
4> It's dark wood/old school layout
5> It's 7 feet shorter.

Other than that I'm sure it's splendid... *IF* I (Family of 4 (so 4 berths would be full without guests) with a business to run (IE a few weeks cruising per trip, not months at a time)) had 250K to spend on a yacht, I'd go with the Bav not the swan.

But that's my view and the joy of the free market that we can pick and choose based on our "needs" and views ;-) .... and the same reason I'd drive the old 10K M3, not the NEW 10K Mondeo or why I live in a terrace in the countryside, not a detached Barret-box with no garden.

mjcp

 

[photodog]

I suspect you have not looked at the website internal photos for the 55' then. It looks NOTHING like the rest of the dark brown, striped floor Bavarias.

55' internal

mjcp

That looks fecking awfull.

And that chart table is ****.

All those sharp looking corners. Gonna bash yer head in.


Looks like a "Luxury Apartment"



And I think those new Hanse's look **** on the insides as well..... and they have **** chart tables too. All this modernity. Rubbish.

 

[Twister_Ken]

I shouldn't have looked at those interiors - I feel ill.

Renamed Barf Area.

 

[Tranona]

But when a similar style is in a Wally (albeit rather better executed and 4 times the price) some people go weak at the knees with excitement!

 

[Twister_Ken]

First time I've looked at Wally interior shots. Not my cup of lapsang souchong, that's for sure. And as your bog-standard Wally starts at a mere 80 feet, not a taste I'm likely to acquire!

 

[Koeketiene]

But when a similar style is in a Wally (albeit rather better executed and 4 times the price) some people go weak at the knees with excitement!

Hanse seems to have gone down the same street too - saw a brandnew Hanse 50-something in Cherbourg last year - very similar.

I wonder if all these come with allen keys?

 

[mjcp]

And that chart table is ****.

All those sharp looking corners. Gonna bash yer head in.

What's wrong with the chart table... looks like it "normal" size and opens in the "normal" way... Has the instruments forward (better, I think than to your side as in smaller plastic boats). About the only short fall I see is no rack for pencil and dividers (probably there, just can't see it).

The height of the cabin is 2.06m (6 3/4 feet) so no danger for my 6 foot head... Looking at the options, there is a S/Steel roof hand hold for the main cabin.

PS I'm not affiliated with Bav in any way (or any other broker etc). But I do enjoy my cruising and like the Bav 38s I have had as charter boats over the years; much better layout to mate's smaller yachts, much less hassle than classic yachts, room for us (4) plus 2 - 4 guests and contrary to another post, it didn't fall apart in a F7, wind over tide, off Cherbourg either.


Still, once I win tonight's E85 million lotto it sounds like there won't be much of a queue for my new boat ;-)

mjcp

 

[photodog]

What's wrong with the chart table... .


mjcp

Its Tiny, doesnt appear to have a fiddle, has limited room for instruments/radios, etc, and has a sharp corner to fall against.




BTW; I own a Bavaria! Proper job wth mahogany and solid chunky rounded tables, and vomit brown upholstery!

 

[photodog]

But when a similar style is in a Wally (albeit rather better executed and 4 times the price) some people go weak at the knees with excitement!

They just do not seem to have executed the look to the quality needed to make it work..... same with Hanse on the smaller boats I have seen... plus I think this look wil date VERY quickly.... Do peeps really think that a yacht should look like East Midlands Parkway Train Station???? Is that luxury???

The traditional Bavaria Dark Mahogany, which they abandoned what 3 years ago or so?? I think works really well. Ours is built very well and looks good after 10 years... Its that Classic yacht "look"

 

[boatmike]

That looks fecking awfull.

And that chart table is ****.

All those sharp looking corners. Gonna bash yer head in.


Looks like a "Luxury Apartment"



And I think those new Hanse's look **** on the insides as well..... and they have **** chart tables too. All this modernity. Rubbish.

Yeah! But there are a lot of people on here that react violently if you criticise it. I think you are entirely right that it not only looks "fecking awful" but is downright dangerous!
Imagine being in a beam sea in there. There is enough room to build up a good speed sliding across that slippy floor before colliding with one of those sharp corners.....

 

[TiggerToo]

First time I've looked at Wally interior shots. Not my cup of lapsang souchong, that's for sure. And as your bog-standard Wally starts at a mere 80 feet, not a taste I'm likely to acquire!

Ken, this might well not be your lapsang suchong. And I am not sure it is mine either. But There is a HUGE difference in the internal design of the Wallies and the MFI interiors shown in the previous posts. It is the same difference between the masterworks that hang from the walls of the National Gallery and the canvases up on the easels of the guys on water front at blackpool.

Still... I am not sure I would spend that money on a yacht like that if I had it...

 

[boatmike]

First time I've looked at Wally interior shots. Not my cup of lapsang souchong, that's for sure. And as your bog-standard Wally starts at a mere 80 feet, not a taste I'm likely to acquire!

Actually Ken you are right. This is the sort of thing, and bigger I have been responsible for building in the past. The difference is they are called "superyachts" and spaces like these are not used when underway usually. In fact it is not unusual for them to be "mothballed" when the skipper is "delivering" the boat from say Antibes to Nassau for the winter season.
Crew quarters (usually below decks) are sensible and basic with sea going fit-out. The owner usually flies out when it has got there.... Also love or hate the styling which varies greatly just as luxury apartments do, these yachts are fitted out to a very high standard. No MFI kits in that market!

 

[Twister_Ken]

The customised Wally fit-outs do seem to prove that being rich doesn't go hand-in-hand with having good taste!

 

[Tranona]

Hanse seems to have gone down the same street too - saw a brandnew Hanse 50-something in Cherbourg last year - very similar.

I wonder if all these come with allen keys?

And dowells, tubes of cheap glue and of course crucial parts missing!

As a sometime (very successful) MFI salesman perhaps I should have one of these boats!

 

[Tranona]

Yeah! But there are a lot of people on here that react violently if you criticise it. QUOTE]

You really should read the comments more carefully. You tend to criticise by judging against inappropriate standards as I have tried to point out but you don't seem to want to listen.

You have to judge things for what they set out to be not what you think they ought to be. It is fine to have opinions and say you don't like it. I don't think that I like this boat for what I want either, but I can see why it is how it is and why people might want to buy it. Whether people will buy what seems to be a poorly executed boat of this style even if it is cheap remains to be seen.

I shall be looking over this boat today so might add some first hand comments (for what they are worth) later.

 

[AntarcticPilot]

Yeah! But there are a lot of people on here that react violently if you criticise it. I think you are entirely right that it not only looks "fecking awful" but is downright dangerous!
Imagine being in a beam sea in there. There is enough room to build up a good speed sliding across that slippy floor before colliding with one of those sharp corners.....

I cracked some ribs with a short fall down the companionway (I slipped on the bottom step) onto the bulkhead at the forward side of the chart table on my Moody 31. That's on a boat that doesn't have wide open spaces, the point of impact was a nicely rounded grab handle, and I did it while tied up in a sheltered marina. It was EXTREMELY painful, and carried on being painful for a couple of weeks. If I'd hit a bit harder it would have been potentially life-threatening if a rib had broken and pierced a lung. I agree with those who say that these large open spaces and sharp corners look dangerous. I could only fall a short way; the impact was limited by that, and I fell onto a rounded surface. If I'd been able to fall another foot, onto a sharp corner, I might have ended up in hospital - assuming I'd had the breath to phone for help, as I was on my own at the time.

 

[sea]

Actually Ken you are right. This is the sort of thing, and bigger I have been responsible for building in the past. The difference is they are called "superyachts" and spaces like these are not used when underway usually. In fact it is not unusual for them to be "mothballed" when the skipper is "delivering" the boat from say Antibes to Nassau for the winter season.
Crew quarters (usually below decks) are sensible and basic with sea going fit-out. The owner usually flies out when it has got there.... Also love or hate the styling which varies greatly just as luxury apartments do, these yachts are fitted out to a very high standard. No MFI kits in that market!

looks like a day out at ikea!

 

[dk]

Quote: see link

http://uk.yachtworld.com/boats/2000/...033779/Grenada Unquote

Looked too good to be true - until I got to the 'storm damage' bit at the end of the specs!

 

[Seven Spades]

RE Bav internal

The problem I have with the internal photos of the Bavaria is those very sharp edges. Just look at the corner of the panel in front of the nav station. I would not but that boat for that reason alone.

Having said I think that the overall appearance is an improvement over traditional Bavaria offerings.

 

[Twister_Ken]

"I would not but that boat for that reason alone."

I wouldn't butt it either