Bavaria 36 defects

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I am new to this site and have been told what a great support system it is for us sailors. Ive had a bit of a problem with my Bavaria, has any other person had build quality problems with their Bavaria, please could you contact me,
 
I wish you the best of luck. In the past there have been rumours of litigation to keep such problems quiet and the removal of similar threads from the forum. If you want background information try typing "bavaria" "keel" and "loss" into google.
 
G'day Rob, and welcome aboard the YBW forums.

It will help if you specify the problem, others may then be able to advise you on what they did to correct he problem.

Also try to fill in the blanks on your profile, this can also help others answer your questions.

Avagoodweekend......
 
no, I've owned a Bav 36 for 5 years from new, not a single problem (touch wood!). What sort of problems are you having?
 
Not a troll at all, I wish I could go into detail, but the damage is going to litigation, so cant, but I have heard that there might have been other cases of the same sort of problem, that would help me to know,
I could lose my boat, as it might be build quality, rather than impact, I will put in more background information on my profile, but busy trying to sort out surveyors insurance and boat yard right now,
 
Touch paper now lit. This will be a long thread. Fun for the Bav bashers on a Friday afternoon. Welcome to the forum by the way.
 
Rob
Providing you state facts you won't prejudice yourself but only state facts not opinion.
I suspect your defect relates to a horizantal opening up of the hull along the line of a fibreglass lamination?
I suspect there is no evidence of any impact damage.
I suspect the incident came to light in heavy weather and a Mayday was sent.

Am I refering to the right Bavaria 36?
If so the above are all facts but I wouldn't go on to give opinions.
There are few other facts that would be useful.
What year was the boat built?
Is there any evidence of any prior repairs?
Do you know the full history of the boat?
Any previous owners had issues.

It is when these 'facts' start to enter the public domain that manufacturers start to wake up and take action.
Good luck. It would be good if you could post some photos.
 
Its a 2003 Bavaria 36 and the crack is alongside the keel about 4 feet long.

The incident did come to light in heavy weather and a mayday was sent so you are referring to the correct boat.

I would love to hear from anyone else with similar problems as a class action would really make Bavaria accountable.
 
The trouble is it will be very hard to prove that the boat has never been aground or abused by a boatyard in its 5 year life.
I would have thought that Bav's build process was more repeatable than most, so a built in defect would be exposed in several boats by now.
Plenty of boats have had scary damage to the hull near the keel (often caused by grounding while racing in shallow water- not implying this applies to you!). The hull can possibly be repaired and reinforced to a high standard a lot cheaper than feeding the legal profession.
By the time you get a judgement Bav could have gone through an administration and lost responsibility for their legacy products.
Is the Bav 36 particularly lightly built in this area?
Just how heavy was the weather BTW?
Hope you can get it sorted either way!
 
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Not a troll at all, I wish I could go into detail, but the damage is going to litigation, so cant, but I have heard that there might have been other cases of the same sort of problem, that would help me to know,
I could lose my boat, as it might be build quality, rather than impact, I will put in more background information on my profile, but busy trying to sort out surveyors insurance and boat yard right now,

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You don't have to fill in Bio - that's just the pedants calling for it. You've given enough that it's a Bavaria 36 and you are in litigation. What a Bio will do now ??

Best you can hope for now is PM's to you and possible help because as you say Litigation is a serious matter.
 
Re: Bavaria 36 defects [re: RobRoy]

I had a 2004 Bavaria 36 with no problems expect a rudder bearing failed and was easily repaired.
 
Re: Bavaria 36 defects [re: RobRoy]

Is the boat used as a seaschool boat? and did it happen on the south coast?

P.S you can pm me with the answer.

Personly I have not seen any build quality issues on the range of bav's i have worked on.
 
Think you might be pinning too much hope on a "class" action. The tone of your post suggests you want retribution rather than a solution. Using the term "accountable" suggests you have already decided they are at fault. If that is the case and you have clear evidence then it is likely the court will decide in your favour. However, you should not expect them not to defend their position. A "class" action only helps if you are able to show that there is a systematic failure that affected, say a number of boats equally. If this is the case, then just one case is heard and the decision is used as a basis for settling the other claims.

As others have suggested you may be better off, if you cannot resolve by negotiation, getting the boat repaired rather than spending what could be substantial sums of money on a risky court case.
 
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Think you might be pinning too much hope on a "class" action. The tone of your post suggests you want retribution rather than a solution. Using the term "accountable" suggests you have already decided they are at fault. If that is the case and you have clear evidence then it is likely the court will decide in your favour. However, you should not expect them not to defend their position. A "class" action only helps if you are able to show that there is a systematic failure that affected, say a number of boats equally. If this is the case, then just one case is heard and the decision is used as a basis for settling the other claims.

As others have suggested you may be better off, if you cannot resolve by negotiation, getting the boat repaired rather than spending what could be substantial sums of money on a risky court case.

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I have to agree with Tranona. Having had a defect argument with Fords years ago - I found out how hard it is and what it can cost. It didn't actually matter that I had information of other vehicles with same drive shaft failure. I still got hung out to dry and ended up having to use my Insurance to cover repairs. They were passed all info so they might have had a go at collecting from Ford. No - I was told it was too much hassle.

Maybe you can use that route ? Approach your Insurance Co. and discuss that it may be a structural fault of building ? They have probably more chance of affecting compensation / costs coverage than you as a single private citizen ?
 
I have a 2003 bavaria 36 And have done two Atlantic circuits ,the Med in and out and a single handed circumnavigation with no real problems at all.An amazing yacht
 
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