paulineb
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BarryD - how did the sea trial go? ..nm
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BarryD
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Hi Pauline / and all,
Not stunningly well. The day was great, and the staff superb. We set off from Chichester with me at the helm following guidance from the "skipper", almost a teaching thing. See the red can etc...
I had trouble ballancing the throttles against the RPM, i.e. to have them both at 2,500 I had to advance the port engine another inch or so. The outdrive position inidcators were U/S as was the speedo (knot counting thing) fortunately the skipper had a portable GPS. Well it was great fun down the eustary and into the sea where I opened her up a bit. I could'nt get the port engine to read above 4,100 and the starboard seemed to be working harder (made it to 5,000). We tried the trim tabs - very exciting as we turned sharply to port. That might be only one working then, so we stopped playing.
Could'nt get it over 21 kts, OK so it might be fouled underneath a bit but that is 7 kts down from its design speed. Turned it round after half an hour to come back in. Overall impressions well somethings arn't working but all OK.
Then just past the dolphin at the coast, a nice loud bang and loads of smoke from the engine bay and under the dash. The boat skewed the right and came to a stop. The port engine had failed totally. Foturnately Warren in Sea Start was passing on his day off and he lifted me, her ladyship and a crying short person off the boat. Chris the hired skipper re-started the starboard engine and took the boat back to the yard whilst we returned in the sea start boat.
OK I will be joining!
Not good, engine prognosis awaiting the owner to decide, but for now I think that one is on hold!
More later.
Thanks for everyones comments and suggestions. And I didn't see Duncan at all!
Barry D.
Not stunningly well. The day was great, and the staff superb. We set off from Chichester with me at the helm following guidance from the "skipper", almost a teaching thing. See the red can etc...
I had trouble ballancing the throttles against the RPM, i.e. to have them both at 2,500 I had to advance the port engine another inch or so. The outdrive position inidcators were U/S as was the speedo (knot counting thing) fortunately the skipper had a portable GPS. Well it was great fun down the eustary and into the sea where I opened her up a bit. I could'nt get the port engine to read above 4,100 and the starboard seemed to be working harder (made it to 5,000). We tried the trim tabs - very exciting as we turned sharply to port. That might be only one working then, so we stopped playing.
Could'nt get it over 21 kts, OK so it might be fouled underneath a bit but that is 7 kts down from its design speed. Turned it round after half an hour to come back in. Overall impressions well somethings arn't working but all OK.
Then just past the dolphin at the coast, a nice loud bang and loads of smoke from the engine bay and under the dash. The boat skewed the right and came to a stop. The port engine had failed totally. Foturnately Warren in Sea Start was passing on his day off and he lifted me, her ladyship and a crying short person off the boat. Chris the hired skipper re-started the starboard engine and took the boat back to the yard whilst we returned in the sea start boat.
OK I will be joining!
Not good, engine prognosis awaiting the owner to decide, but for now I think that one is on hold!
More later.
Thanks for everyones comments and suggestions. And I didn't see Duncan at all!
Barry D.
Chris_d
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Blimey, I 'll certainly never buy a boat now without a sea trial, I think when the engines didn't balence the warning signs were there, clearly something was loading one engine, would you still have considered it if it hadn't gone bang?
Sounds like the boat had been seriously neglected for sometime. this will probably reinforce a lot of peoples doubts about outdrives, that would seem to be a likely
source of the seizure.
Well you can either run away very fast or offer him 10K tops for a potential bargain, there must be lots of good second-hand Volvo 145's out there from diesel re-engining jobs.
Sounds like the boat had been seriously neglected for sometime. this will probably reinforce a lot of peoples doubts about outdrives, that would seem to be a likely
source of the seizure.
Well you can either run away very fast or offer him 10K tops for a potential bargain, there must be lots of good second-hand Volvo 145's out there from diesel re-engining jobs.
duncan
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facinated as to how the outdrive prognosis was arrived at from the words in BarryD's note - obviously a Hercule Poirot in our midst - please share the 'elementary' work with us ......
(and yes I have an outdrive - as I have stated before)
(and yes I have an outdrive - as I have stated before)
G
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So we have another outdrivist in our midst. He's probably woodist, too. Still, Barry, look at it this way: with only one engine working, the fuel consumption will be halved, and at 21kts max and piss poor acceleration to boot, teh diesel boys will be able to keep up...
Chris_d
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I'll probably be proved completely wrong, but its fun to speculate.
Barry didn't say if the engine had overheated before it went bang, so it could have been a dropped valve or cambelt, volvo 171's are prone to that if neglected or even when new apparently, not sure what he had though 145's or 171's.
The outdrive just seems the most likely cause of the loading on the engine, he did say that the trim indicators and tabs didn't work a sure sign of neglect.
If it hasn't been reguarly serviced, bellows etc.. it may be full of water, which would lead to a catastophic bearing or UJ failure, after about the period of time he was out for, that could jam the engine suddenly and cause any number of failures.
I have an outdrive as well, perfect if properly maintained, but I would be very wary
when buying used. Shafts will stand a lot of neglect because the expensive bits are at least in the dry.
Still this could be an ideal base for a diesel conversion, if its going cheap now !
Barry didn't say if the engine had overheated before it went bang, so it could have been a dropped valve or cambelt, volvo 171's are prone to that if neglected or even when new apparently, not sure what he had though 145's or 171's.
The outdrive just seems the most likely cause of the loading on the engine, he did say that the trim indicators and tabs didn't work a sure sign of neglect.
If it hasn't been reguarly serviced, bellows etc.. it may be full of water, which would lead to a catastophic bearing or UJ failure, after about the period of time he was out for, that could jam the engine suddenly and cause any number of failures.
I have an outdrive as well, perfect if properly maintained, but I would be very wary
when buying used. Shafts will stand a lot of neglect because the expensive bits are at least in the dry.
Still this could be an ideal base for a diesel conversion, if its going cheap now !
G
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Re:Shaft Drive engines never go wrong? Oi
Don't see the connection between one engine going bang and that being because it's an outdrive. Where's the logic in that? Like saying 'cos Bin Laden bombed NY, all Bayliners are sh**. OK you obviously don't like outdrives, that's your opinion, personally I like them and that's mine, but to rubbish outdrives 'cos of a totally unrelated incident is somewhat stupid to say the least. IMHO of course and without wishing to cause offence.
Don't see the connection between one engine going bang and that being because it's an outdrive. Where's the logic in that? Like saying 'cos Bin Laden bombed NY, all Bayliners are sh**. OK you obviously don't like outdrives, that's your opinion, personally I like them and that's mine, but to rubbish outdrives 'cos of a totally unrelated incident is somewhat stupid to say the least. IMHO of course and without wishing to cause offence.
Chris_d
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Re: Hang on
I did say I own an outdrive, and I would own another, I just would be very wary when buying second hand because lack of maintenance will cause a bigger pain in the wallet than shafts.
Anyway I will probably regret my hasty prognosis when Barry reveals the real reason for failure.
I did say I own an outdrive, and I would own another, I just would be very wary when buying second hand because lack of maintenance will cause a bigger pain in the wallet than shafts.
Anyway I will probably regret my hasty prognosis when Barry reveals the real reason for failure.
G
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Re: Hang on
S'probably nothing worse than a jammed 8-track...
S'probably nothing worse than a jammed 8-track...
Chris_d
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Re: Hang on
Or polyfilla in the raw water intakes, I find emulsion was a excellent substitue for antifouling!
Or polyfilla in the raw water intakes, I find emulsion was a excellent substitue for antifouling!
BarryD
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HiYall (feel at home DF_Light) to clarify I was scanning the gauges, such as sthose operational! No indication of climbing temperature on the port engine. I don't think this is a sign of out-drive failure more of engine failure. The boat was turning OK before hand and seemed in good nick. Following the bang the thought was the port engine had just overheated and maybe blown a seal.
However the deal is on hold for the moment, as I will not survey a boat with a dead engine. As it stands my offer is about £12K, but we need to talk a lot more before I go forward. SO I'm back in the market and a pocket full of cash.
Even the short person who was not phased by being passed into the arms of a stranger from a smokey boat wants to know when we are going out again!!!!!
Cheers, all back to my party....
Barry D.
However the deal is on hold for the moment, as I will not survey a boat with a dead engine. As it stands my offer is about £12K, but we need to talk a lot more before I go forward. SO I'm back in the market and a pocket full of cash.
Even the short person who was not phased by being passed into the arms of a stranger from a smokey boat wants to know when we are going out again!!!!!
Cheers, all back to my party....
Barry D.
G
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Re: Hang on
Try turning up the radio that stops engine sounding noisy ! And then hit the ships rations .
Try turning up the radio that stops engine sounding noisy ! And then hit the ships rations .
G
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Would like to hear what the problem was.....
Neglected 145s could easily mean corroded/sticking valves and a hydrauliced engine.
Outrdrives are not all bad. Can be trouble free if maintained each year, plus you can trim them, dry them and in a small boat the propellory things can actually point in the direction you want rather than down 'twards sea bottom.
Can't imagine anyone wanting shafts on a 26 footer - now surface drives, that could be another thing..... get the price down to £8,500 and you could start having some fun......
Neglected 145s could easily mean corroded/sticking valves and a hydrauliced engine.
Outrdrives are not all bad. Can be trouble free if maintained each year, plus you can trim them, dry them and in a small boat the propellory things can actually point in the direction you want rather than down 'twards sea bottom.
Can't imagine anyone wanting shafts on a 26 footer - now surface drives, that could be another thing..... get the price down to £8,500 and you could start having some fun......
G
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Re:Shaft Drive engines never go wrong? Oi
I like your analogy and whilst the first part of it is probably true but not proven, the second part is spot on.
You like outdrives? Well thats fine by me as life is made up of all sorts, even those with muddled thinking. I have been trying to think of something good to say about outdrives but all I can come up with is that slow speed maneuvering is a lot more exciting. I suppose they are also excellent for the manufacturers - loads of spares sales at the usual inflated prices.
Nick
I like your analogy and whilst the first part of it is probably true but not proven, the second part is spot on.
You like outdrives? Well thats fine by me as life is made up of all sorts, even those with muddled thinking. I have been trying to think of something good to say about outdrives but all I can come up with is that slow speed maneuvering is a lot more exciting. I suppose they are also excellent for the manufacturers - loads of spares sales at the usual inflated prices.
Nick
duncan
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Re: Hang on
lol.......maybe we are all getting sensitive!
Can't help feeling that, on the 'evidence' given, valve train seems the likely candidate?
lol.......maybe we are all getting sensitive!
Can't help feeling that, on the 'evidence' given, valve train seems the likely candidate?
Chris_d
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Re: Hang on
Careful, don't start rubbishing valves, what have you got againest valves anyway, your not some sort of 2-stroke freak are you!!!
Sorry I'm stuck at work today going stir crazy.
Careful, don't start rubbishing valves, what have you got againest valves anyway, your not some sort of 2-stroke freak are you!!!
Sorry I'm stuck at work today going stir crazy.
G
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Phew - Unlucky, I guess £32,000 or so for my Bayliner has bought me some assurance. Next time your are in Chichester give me a call and despite my odd choice of boats I might be able to help.
G
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Re: hmm
This is an important lesson indeed. If I was giving a tow to such vessels I would first get a very firm agreement that the under no circumstances are any salvage rights going to be enforced. mmgff
This is an important lesson indeed. If I was giving a tow to such vessels I would first get a very firm agreement that the under no circumstances are any salvage rights going to be enforced. mmgff
G
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Re: So Barry thinks he\'s blown a seal
An old one that will probably get pulled v quick, but worth repeating.
Well there was this penguin in the south pole and he decided to take a holiday to Las vegas. Caught a flight to LA and decided to drive the rest of the way. Half way across the desert, the car started overheating so he called in to a garage and asked them if they could fix it.
The mechanic climbed under the car and whilst he was waiting in the 38 degree heat the penguin decided to have an ice cream to cool himself down. Now since he was a penguin, eating an ice cream with his little flippers wasn't too easy and he ended up covered in the stuff.
At which point the mechanic comes back from under the car and says, "looks like you've blown a seal". No says the penguin, "it's an ice cream, honest".
An old one that will probably get pulled v quick, but worth repeating.
Well there was this penguin in the south pole and he decided to take a holiday to Las vegas. Caught a flight to LA and decided to drive the rest of the way. Half way across the desert, the car started overheating so he called in to a garage and asked them if they could fix it.
The mechanic climbed under the car and whilst he was waiting in the 38 degree heat the penguin decided to have an ice cream to cool himself down. Now since he was a penguin, eating an ice cream with his little flippers wasn't too easy and he ended up covered in the stuff.
At which point the mechanic comes back from under the car and says, "looks like you've blown a seal". No says the penguin, "it's an ice cream, honest".
G
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Re: but othrwise, did u like the play Mrs Lincoln?
Umm, you surely aren't gonna buy it now? After all, the engines blew up. Ok, only one engine blew, but they can't blow at the same time, so other one soon. Phew. Anyway, I think shd spend a while going on trips out on sea trials. Just to check that the sea is nice.
What about a nice DIESEL? After all, a 1985 car is bound to be busted. Unless it had a diesel engine. I'm allowed to say this after you insisted on the petrols, and they blew up, altho I won't press the point any more.
Umm, you surely aren't gonna buy it now? After all, the engines blew up. Ok, only one engine blew, but they can't blow at the same time, so other one soon. Phew. Anyway, I think shd spend a while going on trips out on sea trials. Just to check that the sea is nice.
What about a nice DIESEL? After all, a 1985 car is bound to be busted. Unless it had a diesel engine. I'm allowed to say this after you insisted on the petrols, and they blew up, altho I won't press the point any more.
