Balyiner 1950 capri bowrider????

[boatingcrazy]

Hi,

Anyone owned a 1990 bayliner 1950 capri? I'm almost set on one of these a but also thinking phantom 21's look pretty fun. The Bayliner I'm lookin at has a 3.0omc inboard so just worried about the reliability compared to my current 55hp outboard. I am only 17 and it wont be a new model but just your thoughts on either boat would be appreciated.

p.s. that did read right 17 was correct I decided not to get a car instead I pour my money into boats!!!!

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[aquaholic]

Its refreshing to see youngsters getting into boating rather than racing cars round the high street although caution is also called for on the water, however I would definatley go for the bayliner with the inboard. Just got my first inboard (sea Ray) fantastic, smooth fast and economical.

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[Divemaster1]

Had one of the 4 cyl, 3L OMC's once for a couple of years.... on 21Ft Bayliner Trophy.... probably did a bit more swork pushing that than a bowrider... Anyway, did not experience any problems with engine at all. The sterndrives of OMC at that time was subjected to a modification to prevent the engine dropping out of gear underway (was a problem on all OMC drives at that time .... including the King Cobra's). Check if the mod. is done (should be documented). Not sure how easy it is to get hold of spare parts for the OMC drives these days, but otherwise the engine should be OK.... Oooh ... probably raw water cooled...., so if it has run in seawater all its life, you really need a Pro. to look at the cooling system as this may have some serious corrosion issues ... and if so, Big Bill will come knocking pretty soon....

Welcome to the forum by the way and also great to see the younger generation taking interest in boating ....

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[Kevin]

Hi

I think that they are two obv. very different boats.

I presume the phantom 21 will have something like 150/200 hp outboard on it? As Im sure you will already know these are excellent performance boats with great hulls, I expect the seating is more two bucket seats and a long bench seat behind. being high performance outboards they can be thristy and need lots of attention.

The bowrider will be much less performance orientated but will have far more room and storage for trips out, much more sociable. the engines are solid but not too sure on spares although a decent replacement engine should anything horrible go wrong will be much less than that of a high powered outboard.

I think it depends if you have a performance mindset or more of a relaxing day out on the water ( although the bayliner will be fast enough for most uses)

Good luck with finding the right boat.


Kevin

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[boatingcrazy]

Me again,

Cool guys thanks for the advice. I have been on the blower to Nationwideboatsales but rather snotty woman on the phone couldn't tell me anything about the Bayliner. However I have noticed a rather fetching 19ft dateline bounty with 2.5litre volvo penta inboard for £1995, anyone taking bets on whats wrong with it!!!! I have seen a Bayliner like the one I want down at a local marina and think its much more appealing than the phantom for inland waterways use. If I get the Bayliner in time I will be doing a trip across from Lymmington to Isle of white with some other sportsboat owners from my marina, anyone done this trip?

Tristan


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[BrendanS]

Depends where you are going on the IoW. Lymington to Yarmouth is only a 5 minute trip, once outside the Lymington speed limits

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[itsonlymoney]

Hi and welcome aboard. I too am a youngster /forums/images/icons/wink.gif
I have had two bayliner sportsboats one a bowrider and tother un. a cuddy both with 3L mercs. never had any real problems me thinks there pretty bullet proof. I would however offer same advice I have given to previous newbies and that is "buy a cuddy" bowriders are all well and good in Florida but beleive me you WILL wish you had got a cuddy if you settle for a bowrider. Just my oppinion of course however I do speak from experience.
Ian

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[jhr]

A couple of thoughts.

I agree with Itsonlymoney that a cuddy (or a closed-in bow) is probably a better bet, though this depends a bit on what you're going to be doing. You mention inland waterway use, in which case a bowrider would be fine, though neither the hull nor engine/outdrive combo will be ideally suited to slow cruising in confined waters (and the Phantom will be even less appropriate). However, if you are going to be doing some coastal cruising - particularly in the Solent, which can develop a nasty, short chop - then it's likely that, sooner or later, you would stuff the boat into a wave and create an instant jacuzzi at the front end.

I'm suprised that Nationwide were snotty on the phone. I've been past the place on the train and, so far as I could see, it consisted of a field with some boats and a Portakabin in it. Many of the craft on sale are in, ahem, "project" condition and may not have been carefully prepared and valeted for your inspection. However, as you've already brought one boat back from the dead, I guess this wouldn't worry you too much.

As BrendanS says, trips to the IOW from Lymington are a bit "how long is a piece of string"? I'd estimate journey times as follows:

Totland/Alum Bay - 10 minutes
Yarmouth - 5 minutes
Newtown Creek - 15 minutes
Cowes - 25 minutes
Bembridge - (?) 45 minutes

Main things to watch out for in the Solent are the chop (as above, and note that, in a small boat in particular, there can be a significant difference in the conditions, depending on whether you are going up or down wind), the ferries and (in the Eastern Solent in particular) very large cargo and passenger ships - though you can hardly miss seeing them /forums/images/icons/smile.gif. I'll spare you the lecture about lifejackets, flares and VHF (or mobile phone at a pinch) but you should carry them.

You will also see some strange craft with bits of cloth stuck on a pole above their decks. They are moveable navigation marks, and you need to pass close to them to avoid hazards. If their crew wave their fists at you, be friendly, and wave back /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

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[tcm]

Re: Lymington -yarmouth

er, from lymington to the iow? well yes, i anchored outside yarmouth, but had no milk so bombed off in dinghy to lymington's tesco supermarket up the hill which stays open till 10pm. Amazingly, despite Colihiolic being on board, we didn't get wet or fall in. I think it's only bout 5 mins from the harbour mouth mebbe another 5 to the town quay cos of speed limits.

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[SparklyBlueThing]

The bowrider/cuddy debate depends a lot on how you're going to use your boat.

I have a bowrider, and wouldnt swap it for a cuddy. But I live close to my mooring and dont mind carting everything needed to and from the boat each outing. Also, my boat - an old Larson - has unusually high bows for a boat this size, so it would take a monster of a wave to break over it.

I know someone with a Fletcher who's never used the cuddy. He trailers the boat, so doesn't need a cabin.

In calm conditions a bowrider is great fun. There's nothing quite like sitting in the bows, with just the wind noise in your ears, planing over flat water at 30 knots!

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