Badly bhaved England fans

[tcm]

I am appalled by the bahaviour of some of the England fans. Some of them are giving Nazi salutes, goose stepping and the like. This isn't a minor issue as far as I'm concerened and it's *illegal* in Germany. Passports on the bonfire for all offenders, with the ringleaders put up against a wall and shot, I think.

 

[Wansworth]

The Germans and the Poles are not far behind.Out of interest do they have theses problems in the USA?

 

[tcm]

Not really. National Socialism never really caught on in the states, as far as i know.

 

[Wansworth]

No I mean street fighting after a baseball match etc!

 

[davidhand]

Only at Oakland Raider games.

 

[bbg]

Re: Badly behaved England fans

In general, you don't get unruly mobs after sporting events in the US - I suspect mostly because there is not really any tradition of fans following their teams to away games. The games are often so far apart that it is impractical to travel.

With the exception of American football, there are also so many events on the calendar that even the most battle hardened hooligan would tire quickly. Baseball teams play 160+ games per season, hockey and basketball teams play 80+ games per season - and then in each case the playoffs.

A final factor is that there are more sports to choose from in the US - baseball, pro football, college football, pro basketball, college basketball, hockey - and don't forget NASCAR racing, one of the most popular spectator sports in North America.

 

[tcm]

Re: Badly behaved England fans

OK. seriously

Bad behaviour continues and worsens if it is tolerated.

Regardless of human rights etc, the french would send in fairly heavy-hitting forces to stop footie hooligans (as they did in Marseilles)

Long before all that, french kids' parents see their kids' behaviour as reflecting well/badly on themselves and their family, and do something about it. The same applies in other european countries, it seems. The state supports and respects those values.

The uk need for (failing) asbo's etc is a reflection of the failure of parents to control their kids - or at least in part, it is due to the underlying failure of the Welfare State to respect and uphold parental responsibility, now almost reduced to a middle-class quirk.

Sixty years after the introduction of the Welfare State, it may well have managed to offer free education and healthcare. But the downside is that the high-handed and overbearing "government knows best" attitude from all sides has eroded family responsibility/control in many areas from pre-school nursing, involvement in education, careers "advice"/unemployment benefits, housing, old age pensions, almost everything. Taxes pay for bbc "entertainment" that purport to "reflect" reality but in practise often portray bad behaviour at all ages as an interesting aspect of daily life.

Regardles of your background or profession, in the uk today, you and/or your family are left in no doubt that in all areas of child-rearing, parents are generally clueless biological necessities, badly-informed, inexperienced and with (quite often) dangerous ideas that could very easily adversely affect a child. The net result is that the path of least resistance is to deliver the child to the school gate in September at age of five and leave them to it.

 

[Phoenix of Hamble]

Re: Badly behaved England fans

Sadly, I have to agree with that..... an terrible state of affairs for our future...