Are Raggies aliens?

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When I cooked my impellor a few weeks ago, engine hatch up and drifting out beyond Wet Pole, a few boats went past, but the one that asked if I was okay ... was ...

A Sailing Yacht!

I can't remember the name, but Thank You to whoever it was - it was reassuring in a less than ideal situation.

 

[Chrusty 1]

Nick to be honest I think he has a point here, as I exit and enter the hamble every time I go to sea.

Just recently I went to the aid of a rib just off cal shot that was taking on water, no engine and four people on board that by the time I had got to them looked a little frightened and worse for the event.

Easy for you to slag Simon on this yet I will tell you a 100% fact when i helped this rib I was half a mile away, when I responded to Solent coastguards call for help there were many yachts around him yet no help at all, my wife even commented why do yachts ignore the coastguards calls to help this rib.

The last time I heard a mayday was off the beulieu river, two yachts had hit each other racing, one was taking on water, and in there panic ran aground, at no time did the other yacht involved respond to the coastguards call to firstly identify themselves let alone return to the scene and help the boat they had holed, exchange details etc.
It took another vessel to basically grass up over the air the model and name of the vessel involved, at hearing this the said boat then came over the radio and owned up to his cowardly actions, by the time we arrived at lymington her majesty's coastguard were gladly waiting for him, no doubt to give him a real talking to.

This case has clearly stuck in my mind, I have never had the attitude of it's the them and us scenario however I'd clearly agree that what Simon has posted about is clearly the case.

What is clear to me is that you weren't there so cannot possibly clearly say anything.

 

[volvopaul]

Chrusty,Neither were you , or have I missed something???

I was making my point re the post that this post is not on it's own, I have as said in my post seen this raggie versus mobo scenario before.

Why don't you post something on here we can have a discussion about rather than having a go at people from your own side, I'd think what you write before you have a go at me next time.

 

[Chrusty 1]

Chrusty,Neither were you , or have I missed something???

I was making my point re the post that this post is not on it's own, I have as said in my post seen this raggie versus mobo scenario before.

Why don't you post something on here we can have a discussion about rather than having a go at people from your own side, I'd think what you write before you have a go at me next time.

No you haven't missed anything, I was simply pointing out to you that as you weren't there, you cannot say anything clearly about it, you can have an opinion of course. You just came across as a tad too emphatic for my taste is all. Also, I think I made an earlier post, that was fairly even handed, why don't you read that and let me know?

We all know this us and them thing exists, and there was a very long thread about it not too many days ago. However, what I got from that thread is that it seems in the most part to be confined to the south coast, and maybe a bit of the south east coast too.

I said it then, and I will say it again, the us and them thing does not exist here in N.Devon.

 

[BlueSkyNick]

Nick to be honest I think he has a point here, as I exit and enter the hamble every time I go to sea.

Just recently I went to the aid of a rib just off cal shot that was taking on water, no engine and four people on board that by the time I had got to them looked a little frightened and worse for the event.

Easy for you to slag Simon on this yet I will tell you a 100% fact when i helped this rib I was half a mile away, when I responded to Solent coastguards call for help there were many yachts around him yet no help at all, my wife even commented why do yachts ignore the coastguards calls to help this rib.

The last time I heard a mayday was off the beulieu river, two yachts had hit each other racing, one was taking on water, and in there panic ran aground, at no time did the other yacht involved respond to the coastguards call to firstly identify themselves let alone return to the scene and help the boat they had holed, exchange details etc.
It took another vessel to basically grass up over the air the model and name of the vessel involved, at hearing this the said boat then came over the radio and owned up to his cowardly actions, by the time we arrived at lymington her majesty's coastguard were gladly waiting for him, no doubt to give him a real talking to.

This case has clearly stuck in my mind, I have never had the attitude of it's the them and us scenario however I'd clearly agree that what Simon has posted about is clearly the case.

When somebody starts with a title "Are Raggies Aliens" then kicks off with ...

This is not a Raggies bashing thread nor is it knocking Raggies thread but I have to ask the question.

.... the actual details of the incident, or the one you describe, are totally irrelevant. I havent bothered to read them in sufficient detail to have a view on them.

Its just yet another thread raising the same old argument which is the most irritating on these forums.

 

[l'escargot]

The vast percentage of SOLENT raggies are plumbers...

Why plumbers? It's a bit like saying all mobo owners are company directors or car salesmen... ohh, sorry, a lot of them are

 

[Thepipdoc]

When somebody starts with a title "Are Raggies Aliens" then kicks off with ... .... the actual details of the incident, or the one you describe, are totally irrelevant. I havent bothered to read them in sufficient detail to have a view on them.

Its just yet another thread raising the same old argument which is the most irritating on these forums.

Totally agree, and I'm a motor boater myself.
The outcome of this type of thread is not only divisive towards the boating community as a whole, it also does little to promote future cohesion.
Any raggie reading this thread (most won't bother because of the "red top" thread title) can be assured that the vast majority of regular contributors to this forum are not a bunch of bigots.
It's the one topic of conversation that p**es me off in this forum, and I as a motor boat owner, do not want to be tarnished with the same brush.

 

[Warpa]

What is clear to me is that you weren't there so cannot possibly clearly say anything.

Thats fair enough, so it makes all his experience out on the sea and what he sees useless info, if anyone here has a slight chip on their shoulder its you Chrusty, or is the user name a typo and meant to be Crusty as in crusty the clown off the Simpsons
This forum is more of a 'gentlemen's club' it would appear, than regular power boaters exchanging and sharing info and views and asking questions. Right bunch of stuck ups on here in a lot of posts, god forbid anyone new asking a question or doubting anothers ability on the water, but me being thick skinned and not interested in being bait to a discussion or argument can feel free to opt for the wind up approach where the use of smiley faces is welcome
The water is a big playground for us all as it should be

 

[hlb]

It's interesting to notice, after 30 years experience. Some of either persuasion, are not happy, even when being rescued. Most are. But very few have much time for you, once you have delivered them home.

But yes it's true, especially in the solent, raggies have no time for mobo's.

Well unless they hit a sandbank, and then there all friends, well at least for the ten seconds it takes to drag them off.

 

[rubberduck]

Come over to the east coast, we all get on over here

 

[OAF]

The title was written so that people in general take a look, if it had been something like, "boat broken down no assistance offered" or " why don't people wave" or something similar then the post would probably not had over a thousand hits, I wanted people to read it and take it in the spirit it was written, there will always be the odd miserable sod that takes things out of context and spit their dummy out! Oh and come back with some back handed comment to try and enflame a situation.

As I said in the original post, it ain't a raggie bashing post, I was merely asking the question why do so many raggies seem grumpy, I guess it is because there are more raggies out on the water than mobos, so the number of grumpy ones to happy ones are relative!

But no matter what your attitude is towards any one, you should always offer a lending hand to someone on the sea if they appear to be in trouble, even an offer of radioing the coast guard if you don't think you can tow some one.

BTW, the one thing I love about boating on the coast is the diversity of boats, the one thing we all do is enjoy our boating, so smile!

Ps Paul yep I agree, no halyards making a row around these ere parts

 

[thomshap]

I was taught, on here, to hate PWCs then one day we snapped a sheer pin on the tender and had to row across Priory Bay, a jet ski came up and offered us a tow as it was a real effort rowing, I've never been able to criticise any of them since.

The MOBO/Raggie thing will plod on forever and we'll always get threads moaning one way and another but the majority of raggies think themselves more important than anyone else on the water and they stand by their helm with a superiority complex, this is installed from a very young age when they learn to sail Optimists, as I discovered when I learnt to sail on Bewl water then bought a cat - the one thing that winds them up more than a motor boat - The posher the boat the more stuck up they are, someone on a little Beneteau will always give a wave but once the boat grows and comes from a Scandinavian yard it's a different story.

This is not just my opinion and I'm not out to wind anyone up - it's fact - I'll be out on my RIB and also a little Beneteau over the next few weeks and will do some research and post the results and maybe even a video.

 

[OAF]

When you write **** like this, there is little wonder that people 'blank you' and your wife ran off, with or without a plumber.

Looking at the number of posts you have made I would say that you have been around these forums for a long time, well I haven't and haven't seen that many topics about 'them and us' you obviously have, if you don't like it don't make a comment! BTW your forum name is about right!

 

[Dazedkipper]

I was part of a crew that collected a yacht a friend had bought in Lymington and sailed her back to the Blackwater. All along the south coast we were waving to fellow raggies and being totally ignored, only when we were north of the Thames did anyone wave back. We just took it that the south coast raggies are a miserable antisocial lot.

 

[Lakesailor]

You can't compare broken down cars with broken down boats.

Cars don't generally drift on to rocks or sandbanks if their engines stop.

These days you also have to weigh up whether the broken down vehicle is a genuine breakdown or some rogues after hijacking you or mugging you.

Generally much safer in helping out boats in distress.

 

[Chrusty 1]

I was part of a crew that collected a yacht a friend had bought in Lymington and sailed her back to the Blackwater. All along the south coast we were waving to fellow raggies and being totally ignored, only when we were north of the Thames did anyone wave back. We just took it that the south coast raggies are a miserable antisocial lot.

Why do you want to wave to everybody? It's just weird. I mean, you don't wave at all the other drivers when you are out on the road in your car do you?

It's always struck me as a bit odd, it's like Yoooo-Hooo, I'm in a boat Toooo-Hooooo, Well big deal, if you was in a bus you might have summat to wave about!

 

[Chrusty 1]

You can't compare broken down cars with broken down boats.

Cars don't generally drift on to rocks or sandbanks if their engines stop.

These days you also have to weigh up whether the broken down vehicle is a genuine breakdown or some rogues after hijacking you or mugging you.

Generally much safer in helping out boats in distress.

Neither would a boat if it had a half decent anchor to chuck over.

 

[[2068]]

The waving thing is inversely proportional to the number of other boats around, and the "how mad are we to be out here" factor.

So, in a scramble of 50 boats leaving the Hamble, there isn't much waving, unless you recognise someone familiar. Half way across Lyme Bay in a F4, there's lots of waving.

 

[longjohnsilver]

Totally agree, and I'm a motor boater myself.
The outcome of this type of thread is not only divisive towards the boating community as a whole, it also does little to promote future cohesion.
Any raggie reading this thread (most won't bother because of the "red top" thread title) can be assured that the vast majority of regular contributors to this forum are not a bunch of bigots.
It's the one topic of conversation that p**es me off in this forum, and I as a motor boat owner, do not want to be tarnished with the same brush.

Yes, we'll said.

As we all know there are good and bad on both sides. I once towed a yacht into Salcombe, his rudder had failed, used one of my long tow ropes which he couldn't release from his cleat when HM took over so I let go at my end. He saw where I moored but made no effort to either return my rope or offer any thanks.

Then on another occasion I towed a Hardy 25 (motorboat) back to Exmouth from about 5 miles out, the opposite way to where I wanted to go, got him back onto a berth safely. Again no thanks.

So good and bad on both sides. Generalisations are pointless.

 

[DAKA]

Not responding to any one individual as I do not wish to antagonise.

Oaf has been very brave to post this and doesnt deserve any criticism.

Clearly at first sight Oaf is finding enough twits in charge of sailing boats to believe that most sailing boat owners are burks.

In the Solent I have also come to the same conclusion on many occasion .


I like Oaf remain in disbelief that they are all as holes and like to understand why they do such apparently gormless actions and it is only through bravely asking the questions on this forum that one hopes to understand the actions of the apparent idiots.

If it wasnt for the likes of Searuch, Lescargot, and fireball preparing to share with us why they are apparent idiots on the water we would never learn why they pull such death defying , common-sense defeating stunts infront of our anchors, it is their explanations which allow us to tolerate the apparent idiots.

(ie weedy engines , poorly maintained as they have a back up sail, deep draft to keep off sandbanks , and total lack of control due to single engine to be able to get in a position to help.)

Perhaps not such total rowlock brains in this particular instance