Solitaire
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powerskipper
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the picture doesn't indicate that the vessel is moored/anchored in an area (eg outside Yarmouth) where you would expect to see moored or anchored boats
The buoy he is tied to unless layed by him would be marked on the charts
and it is "made fast". Prudence indicates it is sensible to show other vessels that you are "anchored" (in one state or another) and you ain't moving.
it is in some situation advisable to help other vessels identify what you are doing, but it is not what the col regs say,so it would be the skippers decision how he has done it, I know that boat, she is out of gunwarf quays and is not a small vessel.
The buoy he is tied to unless layed by him would be marked on the charts
and it is "made fast". Prudence indicates it is sensible to show other vessels that you are "anchored" (in one state or another) and you ain't moving.
it is in some situation advisable to help other vessels identify what you are doing, but it is not what the col regs say,so it would be the skippers decision how he has done it, I know that boat, she is out of gunwarf quays and is not a small vessel.
benjenbav
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I thought that what was unusual about the picture was that you'd managed to get a speck of dirt on your normally immaculate lens. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Solitaire
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Hurricane
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I bow to your experience but the picture doesn't indicate that the vessel is moored/anchored in an area (eg outside Yarmouth) where you would expect to see moored or anchored boats and it is "made fast". Prudence indicates it is sensible to show other vessels that you are "anchored" (in one state or another) and you ain't moving.
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If you are referring to the mooring buoys by the "Jack in the Basket" off Lymington - these arent marked on the charts. Solitare doesnt say exactly where the photo was taken but if it was one of these IMHO the anchor ball would be correct. I'm told that the ferries dont like these particular moorings being used either.
I bow to your experience but the picture doesn't indicate that the vessel is moored/anchored in an area (eg outside Yarmouth) where you would expect to see moored or anchored boats and it is "made fast". Prudence indicates it is sensible to show other vessels that you are "anchored" (in one state or another) and you ain't moving.
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If you are referring to the mooring buoys by the "Jack in the Basket" off Lymington - these arent marked on the charts. Solitare doesnt say exactly where the photo was taken but if it was one of these IMHO the anchor ball would be correct. I'm told that the ferries dont like these particular moorings being used either.
Solitaire
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It was on the mooring buoys outside Cowes entrance.
l'escargot
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The vessel is not attached to the sea bed using its anchor.
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Show me where in rule 30 it states that the vessel has to use it's own anchor???
I believe the vessel to be a vessel at anchor as per rule 30 ; any one else going to join in????
If I was on that buoy all night then I would display all-round white - but you wouldn't???
Perhaps we have hit on one of the rules which either need further interpretation or re-definition???
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There are about 200 buoys laid in that area during Cowes week, are you saying every boat on those buoys should display a ball by day and a white light by night?
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The vessel is not attached to the sea bed using its anchor.
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Show me where in rule 30 it states that the vessel has to use it's own anchor???
I believe the vessel to be a vessel at anchor as per rule 30 ; any one else going to join in????
If I was on that buoy all night then I would display all-round white - but you wouldn't???
Perhaps we have hit on one of the rules which either need further interpretation or re-definition???
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There are about 200 buoys laid in that area during Cowes week, are you saying every boat on those buoys should display a ball by day and a white light by night?
Steve Clayton
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There are about 200 buoys laid in that area during Cowes week, are you saying every boat on those buoys should display a ball by day and a white light by night?
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No; - I'm not saying that. If I was on a mooring buoy, which is anchored to the sea bed, as per the picture and at night, then I would display all round white.
Are you saying that you wouldn't?
There are about 200 buoys laid in that area during Cowes week, are you saying every boat on those buoys should display a ball by day and a white light by night?
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No; - I'm not saying that. If I was on a mooring buoy, which is anchored to the sea bed, as per the picture and at night, then I would display all round white.
Are you saying that you wouldn't?
l'escargot
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There are about 200 buoys laid in that area during Cowes week, are you saying every boat on those buoys should display a ball by day and a white light by night?
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No; - I'm not saying that. If I was on a mooring buoy, which is anchored to the sea bed, as per the picture and at night, then I would display all round white.
Are you saying that you wouldn't?
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Everyone would need bloody big batteries to leave a white light on when they left their boat on their mooring buoy from one week to the next.
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There are about 200 buoys laid in that area during Cowes week, are you saying every boat on those buoys should display a ball by day and a white light by night?
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No; - I'm not saying that. If I was on a mooring buoy, which is anchored to the sea bed, as per the picture and at night, then I would display all round white.
Are you saying that you wouldn't?
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Everyone would need bloody big batteries to leave a white light on when they left their boat on their mooring buoy from one week to the next.
Steve Clayton
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Lescargot,
Your talking about mooring bouys and trots. P'skipper has already commented on that and i agree . If I go into P'mouth then we all know there are Hardway trots with yachts on them.
SO look at the picture and tell me, and everyone else, that if you went on that for the night that you would not display a white. (I don't see any other bouys identifying a trot!)
Your talking about mooring bouys and trots. P'skipper has already commented on that and i agree . If I go into P'mouth then we all know there are Hardway trots with yachts on them.
SO look at the picture and tell me, and everyone else, that if you went on that for the night that you would not display a white. (I don't see any other bouys identifying a trot!)
l'escargot
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Lescargot,
Your talking about mooring bouys and trots. P'skipper has already commented on that and i agree . If I go into P'mouth then we all know there are Hardway trots with yachts on them.
SO look at the picture and tell me, and everyone else, that if you went on that for the night that you would not display a white. (I don't see any other bouys identifying a trot!)
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No, I wouldn't. But then I know where the picture was taken - you clearly don't.
Lescargot,
Your talking about mooring bouys and trots. P'skipper has already commented on that and i agree . If I go into P'mouth then we all know there are Hardway trots with yachts on them.
SO look at the picture and tell me, and everyone else, that if you went on that for the night that you would not display a white. (I don't see any other bouys identifying a trot!)
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No, I wouldn't. But then I know where the picture was taken - you clearly don't.
Steve Clayton
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But then I know where the picture was taken - you clearly don't.
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No I didn't know. For all i know it's off Foreland and you moor/anchor up- you going to show a white now?
But then I know where the picture was taken - you clearly don't.
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No I didn't know. For all i know it's off Foreland and you moor/anchor up- you going to show a white now?
l'escargot
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But then I know where the picture was taken - you clearly don't.
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No I didn't know. For all i know it's off Foreland and you moor/anchor up- you going to show a white now?
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Don't know Foreland but if I was an an Admiralty of Harbour Authority buoy, no I wouldn't. Nor would I agree that being on a mooring buoy was "anchored".
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But then I know where the picture was taken - you clearly don't.
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No I didn't know. For all i know it's off Foreland and you moor/anchor up- you going to show a white now?
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Don't know Foreland but if I was an an Admiralty of Harbour Authority buoy, no I wouldn't. Nor would I agree that being on a mooring buoy was "anchored".
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OK, OK we can argue about the actual Regs. all night but I think it's quite helpful that he's got a black ball up because at least it is a clue that he is probably not under way so I had better act accordingly.
Power Skipper (oh that avatar!) says he comes from Portsmouth but I wondered if that was a courtesy flag/ensign at his crosstrees and he might have been a foreigner and thus not be familiar with our Regs? Also, drying laundry could indicate a rotten crossing or then again perhaps not...
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Martin T.
Power Skipper (oh that avatar!) says he comes from Portsmouth but I wondered if that was a courtesy flag/ensign at his crosstrees and he might have been a foreigner and thus not be familiar with our Regs? Also, drying laundry could indicate a rotten crossing or then again perhaps not...
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l'escargot
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....but I think it's quite helpful that he's got a black ball up because at least it is a clue that he is probably not under way so I had better act accordingly....
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The big yellow buoy he's tied up to is an even bigger clue. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
....but I think it's quite helpful that he's got a black ball up because at least it is a clue that he is probably not under way so I had better act accordingly....
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The big yellow buoy he's tied up to is an even bigger clue. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Sneds
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Surely we're splitting hairs here?
If it helps and doesn't confuse show a bloody light for God's sake!
Saying you are moored not anchored is like crashing your car without braking because it was your right of way!
If it helps and doesn't confuse show a bloody light for God's sake!
Saying you are moored not anchored is like crashing your car without braking because it was your right of way!
Sneds
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Surely?
timgriffin
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It is attached to a mooring , it is not using its own anchor, have a look at the River Hamble and Medina lots of boats on swinging moorings none show anchor ball or Light .
Maybe he was worried that he was going to be hit by a sailor who was going to use the Power gives way to sail rule near a congested finish line so thought he would play it safe by showing he was not moving .
Tim
It is attached to a mooring , it is not using its own anchor, have a look at the River Hamble and Medina lots of boats on swinging moorings none show anchor ball or Light .
Maybe he was worried that he was going to be hit by a sailor who was going to use the Power gives way to sail rule near a congested finish line so thought he would play it safe by showing he was not moving .
Tim
mjf
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No i do not agree with you. She is not at "anchor"
Effectively she is made fast to the shore and coll regs no longer apply with respect to look out etc etc
Effectively she is made fast to the shore and coll regs no longer apply with respect to look out etc etc
l'escargot
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Surely we're splitting hairs here?
If it helps and doesn't confuse show a bloody light for God's sake!
Saying you are moored not anchored is like crashing your car without braking because it was your right of way!
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Nothing like it at all. There is no requirement to display any shapes or lights when on a mooring.
To use an analogy like yours, it is like driving along with your hazard lights on - they may help and not confuse but it would be just as daft and equally as wrong under the rules, which people usually seem more intent on applying correctly.
Surely we're splitting hairs here?
If it helps and doesn't confuse show a bloody light for God's sake!
Saying you are moored not anchored is like crashing your car without braking because it was your right of way!
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Nothing like it at all. There is no requirement to display any shapes or lights when on a mooring.
To use an analogy like yours, it is like driving along with your hazard lights on - they may help and not confuse but it would be just as daft and equally as wrong under the rules, which people usually seem more intent on applying correctly.
