Solitaire
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this picture?
While I'm editing the pix I took of the race today, I thought I pose the question.
While I'm editing the pix I took of the race today, I thought I pose the question.
Anything unusual about...............
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Whitelighter
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er, he seems to have an anchor ball up (which in quite unusual in the solent in itself) but they aren't actually at anchor.
Also appears to be flying two ensigns
Also appears to be flying two ensigns
mjf
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Agree with Jez and his surrendering too!
Sneds
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I thought they were drying the laundry /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Solitaire
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er, he seems to have an anchor ball up (which in quite unusual in the solent in itself) but they aren't actually at anchor.
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Exactly - he is moored not at anchor so is showing an irrelevant day mark.
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Also appears to be flying two ensigns
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No, only the one, the other "ensign" is a "Raymarine" flag.
er, he seems to have an anchor ball up (which in quite unusual in the solent in itself) but they aren't actually at anchor.
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Exactly - he is moored not at anchor so is showing an irrelevant day mark.
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Also appears to be flying two ensigns
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No, only the one, the other "ensign" is a "Raymarine" flag.
Steve Clayton
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Exactly - he is moored not at anchor so is showing an irrelevant day mark
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I'm going to disagree. The mooring buoy is a fixed anchor point and he is attached to it; so he is correct in the single black ball
Exactly - he is moored not at anchor so is showing an irrelevant day mark
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I'm going to disagree. The mooring buoy is a fixed anchor point and he is attached to it; so he is correct in the single black ball
ggt9
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so is showing an irrelevant day mark
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He might have read the recent "power give ways to sail" threads on here and thought it best, on balance, to make his position clear to the 1500 boats possibly heading his way. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
(This might also explain the two white flags, Viking liferaft ready to deploy on aft rail and two escape RIBs standing by.)
so is showing an irrelevant day mark
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He might have read the recent "power give ways to sail" threads on here and thought it best, on balance, to make his position clear to the 1500 boats possibly heading his way. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
(This might also explain the two white flags, Viking liferaft ready to deploy on aft rail and two escape RIBs standing by.)
Solitaire
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In effect what your saying is that all vessels which are attached to a mooring buoy should display a black ball during the day and therefore an all round white light at night - that will hack off a lot of yachts/motorboats that are moored to buoys then!
The vessel is not attached to the sea bed using its anchor. Therefore it is not at anchor and the black ball is not required !
Rule 30.
The vessel is not attached to the sea bed using its anchor. Therefore it is not at anchor and the black ball is not required !
Rule 30.
Steve Clayton
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The vessel is not attached to the sea bed using its anchor.
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Show me where in rule 30 it states that the vessel has to use it's own anchor???
I believe the vessel to be a vessel at anchor as per rule 30 ; any one else going to join in????
If I was on that buoy all night then I would display all-round white - but you wouldn't???
Perhaps we have hit on one of the rules which either need further interpretation or re-definition???
The vessel is not attached to the sea bed using its anchor.
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Show me where in rule 30 it states that the vessel has to use it's own anchor???
I believe the vessel to be a vessel at anchor as per rule 30 ; any one else going to join in????
If I was on that buoy all night then I would display all-round white - but you wouldn't???
Perhaps we have hit on one of the rules which either need further interpretation or re-definition???
mjf
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I'm with Solitaire here.
No ball but I would have deck lights on at night
No ball but I would have deck lights on at night
MapisM
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any one else going to join in????
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I am.
Moored boats are not comparable imho, 'cause such buoy mooring areas are identified and normally very close to the coast, if not even inside a harbour.
any one else going to join in????
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I am.
Moored boats are not comparable imho, 'cause such buoy mooring areas are identified and normally very close to the coast, if not even inside a harbour.
Vara
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Given the level of knowledge and seamanship that I have witnessed on a number of RTI's I would have had strobes,smoke signals and people with big banners and loudhailers patrolling the deck.
My favorite was when about to be T boned by a 50ft bowspritted beast on port tack, I claimed my rights to be told that as he had a TV cameraman on board he had to hold his course, on the subsequent footage they talked over my response but lipreaders got the gist.
My favorite was when about to be T boned by a 50ft bowspritted beast on port tack, I claimed my rights to be told that as he had a TV cameraman on board he had to hold his course, on the subsequent footage they talked over my response but lipreaders got the gist.
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Skyva_2
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From a distance, how would an oncoming boat know whether it is a mooring or an anchor? It may be overkill, but not wrong. Outside Yarmouth a light would be advisable at night, what's the difference?
mjf
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Does not matter - the boat is not underway.
IMHO a mooring buoy is a perm. arrangment attached to the sea bed. When moored to this correctly: you are then not underway .
IMHO a mooring buoy is a perm. arrangment attached to the sea bed. When moored to this correctly: you are then not underway .
Steve Clayton
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Does not matter - the boat is not underway.
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Colregs 3 (i) The word "underway" means a vessel is not at anchor, or made fast to the shore, or aground.
So if the vessel is not underway then you agree with me - yes?
Does not matter - the boat is not underway.
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Colregs 3 (i) The word "underway" means a vessel is not at anchor, or made fast to the shore, or aground.
So if the vessel is not underway then you agree with me - yes?
powerskipper
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underway but not making way means that the vessel is drifting, it is not made fast to anything.
If a vessel is on a mooring that is marked on the charts, it could be expected to find vessels in that area , an anchor ball or light is not correct as that is not what the vessel is doing.
If a vessel is on a mooring that is marked on the charts, it could be expected to find vessels in that area , an anchor ball or light is not correct as that is not what the vessel is doing.
Dave_Snelson
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Hmm - apart from the anchor ball is the ground tackle on that mooring man enough for such a heavy boat? (Don't know the area, but Porthmadog trots would have none of that)
Steve Clayton
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If a vessel is on a mooring that is marked on the charts, it could be expected to find vessels in that area , an anchor ball or light is not correct as that is not what the vessel is doing.
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I bow to your experience but the picture doesn't indicate that the vessel is moored/anchored in an area (eg outside Yarmouth) where you would expect to see moored or anchored boats and it is "made fast". Prudence indicates it is sensible to show other vessels that you are "anchored" (in one state or another) and you ain't moving.
If a vessel is on a mooring that is marked on the charts, it could be expected to find vessels in that area , an anchor ball or light is not correct as that is not what the vessel is doing.
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I bow to your experience but the picture doesn't indicate that the vessel is moored/anchored in an area (eg outside Yarmouth) where you would expect to see moored or anchored boats and it is "made fast". Prudence indicates it is sensible to show other vessels that you are "anchored" (in one state or another) and you ain't moving.
studgies
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Agree with others, it is on a proper mooring bouy which by rights should be marked on the chart so people should expect craft to be moored there. You can in theory anchor anywhere given enough chain/rope so you need to indicate you are at anchor to avoid getting rammed.
I also agree that if I was in a busy area on an isolated bouy then I may be tempted to turn oin the anchor light when dark to help with my paranoia and aid sleep! However if you are saying it is right to have an anchor ball or light when on a bouy then what about all those people who leave their boat on a bouy at all times for weeks on end with no onboard power?
I also agree that if I was in a busy area on an isolated bouy then I may be tempted to turn oin the anchor light when dark to help with my paranoia and aid sleep! However if you are saying it is right to have an anchor ball or light when on a bouy then what about all those people who leave their boat on a bouy at all times for weeks on end with no onboard power?
Steve Clayton
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So given the picture in the original post you, and a load of other people, would happily moor up 100 metres either side of the boat pictured and give no indication that you were moored or "at anchor". Well f' me!
