Praxinoscope
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Thanks Laika, as I have never had the commercial endorsement on my YM, I didn’t know that a CE has to be renwewd.
Another YM thread
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billskip
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Yes the CE and the ICC have to be renewed, its just something I read somewhere led me to believe the course certificate also( just renewal not re take the course), but thanks ,sorry if I got it wrong/confused.
Now I'll spend wasted time searching for where I think I read it......
Chiara’s slave
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I’m a YM certificated person who just goes sailing.
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Has anyone figured out why mileages logged expire so they can't be used to qualify for the exam but the YM cert doesn't ever expire? I can't see the sense, with old miles or miles done gradually over a too long period the candidate would still have to do a current exam and if everything has been forgotten they wont pass, or if it hasn't been forgotten and they have sufficient knowledge still they pass. No problem either way. But you can have passed a YM 30 years ago, not sail in all that time and still have a current YM. Seems backwards or at least inconsistent.
Uricanejack
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I just have a C of C ,not a YM so I couldn’t put a response on the poll.
glynd
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Yep, piece of paper held inside a little hard plastic wallet emblazoned with an RYA logo
oddly less waterproof / durable than the day skipper course completion plastic cards
Praxinoscope
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My GCE’s, HND, BA and MA don’t need to be renewed to stay valid, neither does my driving licence (apart from the irritation that being over 70 I do have to renew every 3 years) but no test required unless I have committed a driving offence that may result in a court deciding it was necessary.
The YM is a purely voluntary system, with perhaps only a minority of yachtsmen taking the exam (I don’t know the current number of YM orders but I am sure it is a minority) so why introduce a layer of complication and renewal.
As I understand it ( thanks to laika #18) if the YM has a commercial endorsement the CE requires renewal after 5 years, there would seem no advantage in applying such a requirement to those of us who have passed the YM exam, (yes I have forgotten the Morse that I needed to learn when I took mine) but have just carried on sailing hopefully with a greater understanding of the syllabus we followed and a respect for others also on the water.
flaming
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That's natural enough. If you have experience then you might be good. You might also have just made the same mistakes repeatedly for decades. Until you have proven yourself, then how is someone supposed to be able to ascertain which you are?
And you belittle "flashing a card" The whole point of that card is not how easy it is to flash, it's what has to go into getting it.
If you have a YM your sailing has been assessed by an independent person to be at least of a certain standard. Obviously that's not the whole story, but it's at least a benchmark.
flaming
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It's consistent with most examinations that have a prerequisite qualification or logged experience. You have (for example) 2 years to pass your practical driving test after passing your theory. You can then not drive for 30 years but still have a valid driving licence.
Mudisox
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I have a BOT yacht masters allowing me to take yachts up to 100 tons anywhere in the world. Obtained by sitting in front of 5 Master Mariners back in 1966.
Never been asked for it. A brief chat with someone will tell you what level of competence he/she has. Or even better, see what they know rather than hear from them.
Never been asked for it. A brief chat with someone will tell you what level of competence he/she has. Or even better, see what they know rather than hear from them.
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I expect someone would/should still remain somewhat skeptical of a YM holder until they have seen them in action but still it would be nice to have an easy way to instantly prove some experience and competence. "I passed a YM practical" rather than "I can do it I promise" is just much easier and quicker and less embarrassing than having to keep trotting out your experience. Having to do what we would normally deem showing off.
Argh come on. The preciousness evident from you reading what I said that way. Really there's something about YM. Is the name slightly too grandiose? The exact purpose of the examination is to enable you to flash the card and prove your competence in a split second.
flaming
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No, not really. Unless you intend to make a living from sailing the YM, and every other qualification, is entirely voluntary, so the purpose of doing the YM can be anything from wanting the qualification to wanting to learn to be a better sailor. At the time I did the YM I had zero intention of ever working as a skipper and I already had Coastal skipper if I needed to wave a piece of paper at a charter company etc. I only wanted to do the YM because it was a challenge that I knew I'd have to improve my standard of sailing to meet and I wanted to learn. It was much later that I fell back on my YM and became commercially endorsed in order to keep the wolves from the door when my 1st career went spectacularly tits up.
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Everyone can have their own slant on why they want to do it but the RYA summarise it "An RYA Yachtmaster Certificate of Competence is the ultimate aim of aspiring skippers. It is a well known, highly respected qualification worldwide, proving your experience and competence."
So you can flash your card and not have to faff around each time you go near someone else's boat or encourage crew on board. So others can see the card and have automatically some confidence in your experience and competence. And sure enough thats the one thing I'm occasionally but not overly irked about so would rather have it. I don't doubt that the process would also be worthwhile but then all sailing is continually learning so its certainly not the only way to go.
flaming
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Yes... That was my point....
The point is not about "flashing the card" it's about what has to go into getting the card.
And then, dear boy, one does not "flash" a YM. One hands it over discretely, face down so as not to draw attention to it. Just not the done thing to flash it about, we YMs have standards you know!
Chiara’s slave
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Flash it? I doubt if mine has seen the light of day for 25 years. Even the French aren’t really interested.
mattonthesea
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Me neither
mattonthesea
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Please: 'don't ch'a know' ?
Concerto
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Been sailing for too many years and the only certificate I have is for using a VHF. Not sure if I am qualified enough to do the Round Britain trip I am nearing the end of. 
jaminb
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Out of interest are the downers on YM requirements the same people who are; less red tape; ealth and safety and political correctness gone mad, anti woke brigade?
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Praxinoscope
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I don’t think so, I have held a YM (Offshore) for about 40 years and have completed the shore-based Ocean course, but never finally got around to doing the passage and exam, but I do think political correctness has in your words ‘gone mad’ and very definitely a member of the ‘anti woke brigade‘, certainly not a downer on the YM requirements.
Interested to hear of a YM card, this wasn’t around when I was awarded mine, it was a certificate in a blue hard cover not unlike the old British Passport, I assume the certificate is still presented as well as the ‘card’.