Another nail in the GB coffin. NB

[Keith]

Re: Right

Remember, the germans and especially the french never wanted us in anyway, lets remember also we used to have a fishing fleet and fish as well!!!!! what have we now, just the french and the spanish fleets fishing UK waters to death and theres not a damn thing we can do about it, Do we need europe? ...I don't think so...!!!.........keith

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[EME]

Laughing my socks off..

at all of this, started with a new "EC" style DVLA logbook.

Does anyone really believe that the French would change their 'carte grise' ? !! No , it'll happen when they convince the rest of us to do it their way. They just let us do what we are good at , whingeing.

"Rule Bureautica' should be sung at Last Night of The Proms.

No what was it good about Britain again ?

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[tome]

Not so fast...

There are two things that I vowed I'd never discuss on this forum: politics, religion, musical tastes and Scandiwegians.

As soon as I say 'I believe' you've dragged me into religion. I have a Norwegian relative who plays the lute fisk with some acclaim. Grieg, natch.

I believe I can describe his politics as right of Europe, but I'd have to run it through Babel Fish to be sure.

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[AlexL]

Ah but its really good for business to be in Yurp. My company (american owned) says they like Yurp, especially now all the cheapo poor people have joined, coz it can move all the production to the Czech replublic - which is still part of Yurp, and as far as the yanks are concerned theyre still doing business in Yurp and everyone's happy (apart from the couple of thousand unemployed english people - but who cares about them eh). Obviously its far more important that T.B listens to American Businessmen than british citizens. Ho hum.

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[alahol2]

Did you see on the news, though, that Brussels are taking the UK government to court for the way HMC&E are treating those who bring in cheap booze and fags? It's about the first good EU thing I've heard.

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[sailorman]

FREE TRADE ASK THE JOCK & No 11



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[halcyon]

The yanks bought a firm making Fly fishing reals in Falmouth, they have got fed up with it, sold to China, what are they doing? moving it lock stock and barrel to China.
Just happen to one of the largest manufacturer in world, means we now import them, rather than export to the world.
Must make sense to Downing street, or does that now stop at the barracades, sorry security gate.
Last one we had was Maggie, paid to close founderies in UK to reduce capacity, one was FH Lloyds were father in law worked. The odd thing was that there order book had been won from German firms, they did masive steel casting, terbine covers for elec gen, 60/80 ton, and they had one of only 2 xray plants for that size casting, but we paid out a furtune to close it, were did the order book go, yes your right Germany.
And people want you to have faith in UK government and the EU, apart from image and ego, were being eaten alive.

Brian

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[BustinAround]

"The yanks bought a firm making Fly fishing reals in Falmouth, they have got fed up with it, sold to China, what are they doing? moving it lock stock and barrel to China.
Just happen to one of the largest manufacturer in world, means we now import them, rather than export to the world.
Must make sense to Downing street, or does that now stop at the barracades, sorry security gate."

Whats all that got to do with downing street or europe exactly? And are you suggesting protectionism is a good thing?

We're not being eaten alive actually, we're the only (i think) country that has managed to show continued increasing growth during the recent worldwide slowdown.

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[Joe_Cole]

Just what I thought as I read it, but why let facts get in the way of a good winge? /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

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[Koeketiene]

We're not being eaten alive actually, we're the only (i think) country that has managed to show continued increasing growth during the recent worldwide slowdown.

True - for the most part - but remember that the continued strength of the UK economy depends in a large part on increasing consumer spending. This is "funded" by the ever increasing house prices. Once the bubble burst, and all bubbles do burst, and people get hit by negative equity we're in for the mother of all recessions..

Sold up a couple of years ago, so I will be around to tell you: I told you so. Of course, if it doesn't happen, will be kicking myself.


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[zefender]

Well if you did sell up a couple of years ago, the crash, if one happens, will have to be very, very deep, to enable you to have made a good investment decision then IMHO

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[robp]

Re: Right

"We have our own dream and our own task.
We are with Europe but not of it.
We are linked but not combined.
We are interested and associated but not absorbed."

Sir Winston Chuchill

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[Guest]

As another said ...,cheapo

As many know I live and work in Baltic's ...... which have recently jojned the EU.

I watched the total b....sh..t campaign to convince the voters in the Referendum to vote FOR joining.

BUT for example in Latvia :

45% of poulation are Russian origin and refused voting / passport rights.
Approx. 45% of 'Latvian' population turned out to vote.
Approx. 51% of those who voted said FOR.

Now any mathematicians out there ?? Work out the %age on that and you see that in fact it was NOT a vote FOR joining ..... but it still happened and now I am BACK IN the bloody EU - a scam that I have enjoyed near 11 yrs away from its corrupt and imbecilic ways.

Another example ..... Estonia.

Lovely highways are being built across the Baltic to link all 3 indeopendent states with state of the art EU funded roads. Biggest and 'best' opened early this year ..... its already being repaired in large sections ..... BUT the real killer is the number of Princess 40 etc. Motorboats that appeared in Tallinn / other Marinas when EU reps got installed ...... mmmmmm is it THAT well paid ?? I'm in wrong job ..... Of course with the 40ft MB - goes the Carrra 4 Porsche etc. ....... and the 12ft RIB for the kids to annoy every other boat owner with .....

EU ....... my ar_e .......

Funny thing is I agreed with the original idea of it ..... open trade and free borders FOR TRADE, but it has continuously changed to a Governing Body that instructs duly elected National Govts. Didn't anyone notice the subtle change from the Name - European Economic Community to European Union ........ it sure says something to me ....... soon it will be :
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French or German President ...........

any bets ?????


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[Guest]

Ken ..... a correction !

<<very little fox hunting>>

Watched an interesting program on Latvian TV other evening .... showed Fox Hunting Latvian style and also mentioned that it was used in various parts of Europe also - BUT NOT UK !!

It was sadistic to say the least ...... specially bred dogs kept in wire cages, fed LIVE foxes caught with snares / traps etc. When 'sport' or culling is called for ..... dogs are taken to 'killing ground' to be let loose to find and tear apart any fox / animal they find ..... There is no control etc. ....... OK you may say the Fox-hunting etc. in UK was cruel, I don't disagree, but this is sheer barbarous .........


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[Twister_Ken]

Context, dear boy, context

Churchill wrote that in 1926, long before WW2 reshaped Europe.

Incidentally, UK eurosceptics are very fond of that Churchillian endorsement but conveniently forget to quote the sentence which immediately preceeds it:

"We see nothing but good and hope in a richer, freer, more contented European commonality."

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[Twister_Ken]

Re: Ken ..... a correction !

Sounds a bit like hare-coursing in the glorious Bwitish countryside!

I call for a Europe-wide ban on hunting with dogs. Lets get the EU working properly!

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[castaway]

Taken from the Guardian, an actual letter sent by the Inland Revenue:

Dear Mr. Addison,

I am writing to you to express our thanks for your more than prompt reply to our latest communication, and also to answer some of the points you raise. I will address them, as ever, in order.

Firstly, I must take issue with your description of our last communication as a "begging letter". It might perhaps more properly be referred to as a "tax demand". This is how we, at the Inland Revenue have always, for reasons of accuracy; traditionally referred to such documents.

Secondly, your frustration at our adding to the "endless stream of crapulent whining and panhandling vomited daily through the letterbox on to the doormat" has been noted. However, whilst I have naturally not seen the other letters to which you refer I would cautiously suggest that their being from "pauper councils, Lombardy pirate banking houses and pissant gas-mongerers" might indicate that your decision to "file them next to the toilet in case of emergencies" is at best a little ill-advised. In common with my own organisation, it is unlikely that the senders of these letters do see you as a "lackwit bumpkin" or, come to that, a "sodding charity". More likely they see you as a citizen of Great Britain, with a responsibility to contribute to the upkeep of the nation as a whole.

Which brings me to my next point. Whilst there may be some spirit of truth in your assertion that the taxes you pay "go to shore up the canker-blighted, toppling folly that is the Public Services", a moment's rudimentary calculation ought to disabuse you of the notion that the government in any way expects you to "stump up for the whole damned party" yourself. The estimates you provide for the Chancellor's disbursement of the funds levied by taxation, whilst colourful, are, in fairness, a little off the mark. Less than you seem to imagine is spent on "junkets for Bunterish lickspittles" and "dancing whores" whilst far more than you have accounted for is allocated to, for example, "that box-ticking façade of a university system."

A couple of technical points arising from direct queries:

1. The reason we don't simply write "Muggins" on the envelope has to do with the vagaries of the postal system.

2. You can rest assured that "sucking the very marrows of those with nothing else to give" has never been considered as a practice because even if the Personal Allowance didn't render it irrelevant, the sheer medical logistics involved would make it financially unviable.

I trust this has helped. In the meantime, whilst I would not in any way wish to influence your decision one way or the other, I ought to point out that even if you did choose to "give the whole foul jamboree up and go and live in India" you would still owe us the money.



Please forward it by Friday.

Yours Sincerely,

H J Lee

Customer Relations

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[Beagle]

Re: Hold on-Happy Dutchie!

Don't know about the Scandies, but I'm a quite happy Dutchie chap myself... Ofcourse we've got crap politics in here as well, it goes with the terretory. On the other hand, a combined Europe (with some good support) might be the trick for the near future. The USA is sliding into bankrupcy and we gotta protect our local (Europe) markets.....

Although I must admit... most happiest (grammer??) out on the water.....

Rene.

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[robp]

Not only Euro Sceptics

but also <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.churchill-society-london.org.uk/index.html>The Churchill Society</A>
Accepted that it's an over used quotation but it still sums up the thoughts of many many people, who are questioning the king's new clothes.

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[PerL]

Scandiwegians?

I know my language skills are limited but whats a Scandiwegian? If it's a Norwegian you mean then you are completely wrong. They are always happy. In fact they even sound cute when they are trying to verbally abuse people. However, they are not members of the European Union and thus not entitled to an opinion. I'm not sure they are ever entitled to an opinion. At least not since 1905.

Scandinavians on the other hand are an unhappy lot. I know I am. But then again I'm just back from the dentist. And I talk funny too. Mostly because of the local anaesthetics.



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