Andiamo - Let's Go!

[rafiki_]

I wouldn't say that you should, but you can if you like the look of it. I mean, it wouldn't be wrong, in Italian.
Otoh, I would use it in the EN translation (as you did in the thread title) even if it's not there in the IT version.
In other words, there's an explanation component in the IT verb as such, so adding the exclamation mark is unnecessary, sort of.
Don't ask me why - it ain't a grammar thing, just a matter of sound/feeling.

P, my understanding, from working with Italians, is it depends on the context. One could also use a question mark in the right context.

Andiamo? Shall we go?
Andiamo! We are going!
Andiamo Let's go

So Pete's context is probably right.

 

[MapisM]

Well, yes, to some extent it does depend on the context.
And while I can pretend to understand all the subtleties of IT, I'm far from it on the EN side.
So, each of us is "better" at just one half of the equation, so to speak.
That said, I'd rather make your distinction in a slightly different way:
Andiamo? = Shall we go?
Noi andiamo (with or without excl.mark) = We are going!
Andiamo (with or without excl.mark) = Let's go!

 

[petem]

Well, yes, to some extent it does depend on the context.
And while I can pretend to understand all the subtleties of IT, I'm far from it on the EN side.
So, each of us is "better" at just one half of the equation, so to speak.
That said, I'd rather make your distinction in a slightly different way:
Andiamo? = Shall we go?
Noi andiamo (with or without excl.mark) = We are going!
Andiamo (with or without excl.mark) = Let's go!

Excellent! Will leave it as it is (saves hassle and putting the spacing out).

 

[rafiki_]

Excellent! Will leave it as it is (saves hassle and putting the spacing out).

Good idea Pete :encouragement:

P, as I was working with Lavoratori, the Noi was never used. I guess you guys further up the food chain would have used more correct grammar? I learnt a lot from colleagues at Pirelli, and had some great times with them. Unfortunately it was a long time ago, so much has slipped from my memory. Use it or lose it! The it being la lingue per gli stranieri.

 

[MapisM]

Haha, I see what you mean P - and of course we are firmly into hair splitting with this debate - but I can't imagine anyone IT mother tongue using "Andiamo!" alone, if the intent is just of informing someone else that they are going (which is my understanding of "We are going!"), regardless of the instruction level.
In that context, telling someone "Andiamo!" rather than "Noi andiamo" would sound very different, i.e. an invitation to go all together, there and then (which is more akin to "Let's go!", as far as my understanding of EN goes).

 

[rafiki_]

Haha, I see what you mean P - and of course we are firmly into hair splitting with this debate - but I can't imagine anyone IT mother tongue using "Andiamo!" alone, if the intent is just of informing someone else that they are going (which is my understanding of "We are going!"), regardless of the instruction level.
In that context, telling someone "Andiamo!" rather than "Noi andiamo" would sound very different, i.e. an invitation to go all together, there and then (which is more akin to "Let's go!", as far as my understanding of EN goes).

Yep, with you on all of this :encouragement:

Italian is such an expressive language, and of course your use of grammar is far more correct than our use in English. I don't think grammar is even taught in most Brit schools? I think we now focus on American rather than English. One only learns proper grammar from learning another language, especially German or Latin-based language. One of the reasons we are hopeless in general at languages. We don't have the grounding.

 

[John100156]

Pete
I could reach my props from the bathing platform on my T34 and when in SCM, had to scrape them every few weeks in summer, I would definitely beach and bag them, it’s simple to do and would only take an hour or so before leaving the boat. It definitely works well in SCM, we started doing it in 2009. Fouling is not as heavy nowadays and less of course in winter, but heavy enough in warmer waters in summer. Lift and scrubs are good value and efficiently managed in SCM and with a good antifoul on the hulls you can get a couple of seasons before lifts and leg Maintenance. Hope you enjoy your stay in SCM we were there for nine years and had a great time...!

 

[petem]

Andiamo in the press!

The observant amongst you will have seen that Andiamo and my good self appear in not one but two magazine articles this months. See the excellent Targa 34 review in Motorboat owner (http://www.motorboatowner.co.uk) and the "Bargain Loving Boaters In the Sun" article in this months YBW. I'm sure the royalties will arrive any day!

Short Cruise Report

SMWBO and flew out for 5 days on board over the New Year period. I was rather apprehensive (who wants to spend 5 days on board a sports cruiser in the rain) but we were rewarded with some nice weather and managed to get out on the water a couple of times. Weather was a little mixed but we had a couple of days of clear skies and 70 degree temperatures. And it's always a bonus when you fix more than you break!

Boat is looking great and the hull was free of any weed but the waterborne critters in the marina seem to have decided to take up residence on my stern gear...

A quick €100 jet wash soon sorted the problem out. It's not clear to me whether the drives were anti-fouled before we bought the boat or whether it's come off or become ineffective. In the future I hope to use something that will keep the drives cleaner then just bag the props between visits.

Very pleased with our "Ducks Back" outboard cover for £15 or so...

We'd had a problem with the old plotter no longer receiving a signal from the GPS receiver. I noticed that the wire from the Seatalk NG connector to the Tridata Depth Gauge had come adrift and re-connecting meant that both plotters plus the DSC radio are now getting fixes. Weird.

Jez had very kindly given me an old electronic chart for the area that seems to be pre-marina! I'm sure it will be perfectly fine as a back up once we're out of the marina.

The local VP dealer had replaced two of the drive trim relays so these are now working as they should. With everything working, I had a play with the drive trims at speed and the boat seems to like the drives being trimmed right in (-4) when on the plane. Surprisingly this gave an extra 2 or 3 kts over trim at 0. I'd be interested if other owners experience the same? The boat seems to be lack any noticeable heel so I tend to keep the trim tabs fully retracted in calm seas.

For the first time since we've had the boat the s/b hour counter came to life.

Comforting that there's only a small difference between the hours!

In another post I said that one of the seacocks looks a bit corroded. Kashurst suggested that it is probably surface corrosion. A quick rub with some emery paper proved him right.

I suspect that a bit of a wire brush would remove the rest of the surface corrosion. It doesn't weep and the handle turns smoothly so I can't decide if it's worth replacing now.

SWMBO quite likes SCM. The town is OK, particularly if you like seafood that is fresh from the extensive day boat fishing fleet. Some of the restaurants were closed for the winter but there were plenty still open. The yacht club bar is nice too (very cheap, good food and great staff). We'll certainly spend the Spring at SCM then review our plans.

 

[Pinnacle]

I don't know if its my pc, the photo or something else, but the freshly cleaned/abraded bits do look a bit "pink" to me.

Not sure when you are planning next to lift and pressure wash the hull, but in your shoes I would be thinking about replacing the thru-hull, valve and 90deg bend sooner rather than later. All IMHO, of course.

PS The boat looks great and completely at home! :encouragement:

 

[rafiki_]

Looking good Pete, and a great way to spend the Chrissie hols.

 

[julians]

Wow thats a lot of growth on the drives,how long has it been in tbe water for them to get like that?

Ive said tbis before on here,but my drive doesnt get anywhere near as fouled up as that from april to october.

 

[petem]

Wow thats a lot of growth on the drives,how long has it been in tbe water for them to get like that?

Ive said tbis before on here,but my drive doesnt get anywhere near as fouled up as that from april to october.

Since the 22nd October! Apparently the fouling is worse in the Summer (eek)!

 

[Hurricane]

Yep - thats about right for the growth.
Thats the bad news - the good news id that there won't have been any antifoul on the drives.
Antifoul works in SC - just as long as you can keep it on there.
So hull growth isn't usually that bad as long as you have antifouled it.
The real ?ugger is the underwater metal work - without any antifoul protection, it grows - and grows.
That said, the lift and scrub is really cheap - in fact we get one free lift and scrub each year anyway.

Glad you and SWMBO enjoyed SC
It is a quiet (and very) Spanish resort.
And a strong British community there now - lots of friends - we all love it .
We meet up when away - either when away cruising or (for example) Christmas Parties back in the UK - this year, we took over a Hotel near Winchester.

 

[petem]

Putting a bag round the props should be a 10 min job and hopefully I can get the anti foul to stick on the rest of the boat. You're right about it being VERY Spanish, we've having to brush up on the basics (menu, toilets, large, small, beer, wine, etc) as even some of the young people seem to speak absolutely no English. That's fine though, it's Spain after all (a Thai and somewhere to buy a cooked brekkie would be good though)!

 

[MapisM]

I don't know if its my pc, the photo or something else, but the freshly cleaned/abraded bits do look a bit "pink" to me.

Not sure when you are planning next to lift and pressure wash the hull, but in your shoes I would be thinking about replacing the thru-hull, valve and 90deg bend sooner rather than later. All IMHO, of course.

PS The boat looks great and completely at home! :encouragement:

+1 to all that, PS included!

Btw, I suspect that the 90deg bend is not the same material as the valve.
Brass and DZR respectively, I'd dare guessing...

 

[bluetooth]

The local VP dealer had replaced two of the drive trim relays so these are now working as they should. With everything working, I had a play with the drive trims at speed and the boat seems to like the drives being trimmed right in (-4) when on the plane. Surprisingly this gave an extra 2 or 3 kts over trim at 0. I'd be interested if other owners experience the same? The boat seems to be lack any noticeable heel so I tend to keep the trim tabs fully retracted in calm seas.

For the first time since we've had the boat the s/b hour counter came to life.

Pete
After 5 years of playing around and thinking I was doing something wrong I concluded that my T34 with KAD42/43 didn't need any drive trim adjustment from -4 except in shallow water. So I would agree with your quick assessment.

re s/b hr counter coming back to life - well presume thats warmer climates! And will save you many £s !!

BT

 

[Greg2]

Our old Targa 35 was the same. Trimming the legs made no difference so kept them tucked right in. Previous owners advised that this was the case and they were right!

 

[petem]

I don't know if its my pc, the photo or something else, but the freshly cleaned/abraded bits do look a bit "pink" to me.

Not sure when you are planning next to lift and pressure wash the hull, but in your shoes I would be thinking about replacing the thru-hull, valve and 90deg bend sooner rather than later. All IMHO, of course.

They're not pink, it's just my crappy phone that gives that impression. I'll look into replacing them regardless.

Pete

 

[petem]

What's the thing on right?

... split charger/ blocking diode for battery charging from alternator

A question for Stelican, or anyone else that understand the Targa 34/40 charging / battery architecture....

What does the diode do and is it connected to the starboard side battery and alternator (bearing in mid that these don't charge from the batter charger)?

Thanks.

 

[petem]

Just a quick update. Following recommendations I engaged the service of the local VP dealer to replace my corroded seacocks. Unfortunately, with limited annual leave I wasn't there to oversee things but the technicians have been keeping me updated with daily photos.

A reminder, the old and manky seacock.

When removing it, the skin fitting snapped off!

I'll take some more pics of the box of bits that they left me to examine.

I have no idea what the old fittings were made of but the new ones are all bronze. These are the new fittings / seacocks.

And finally completed the plumbing for the A/C.

Not a very interesting thing to spend money on but has to be done.

Pete