Anchors

[Tranona]

Umm, now you don't suppose that article is an advertisment of any kind do you ?? After all it does have links as to where to buy the list of NG anchors.

Does not claim to be anything else - just a summary of what is available. exactly what this type of publication does advise its readers of products that are available. It was only quoted to show what is meant by the abbreviation NG - new generation anchors.

 

[TNLI]

Now I finally know you are just winding us all up and taking the p---. Nobody in their right mind could recommend a Bulwagga for serious anchoring.
Bulwagga Anchor - When you really need to be sure!

It depends what you call serious anchoring, I would not use one in an open anchorage with a serious storm swell, as it might bend in the same way as I'm not too keen on Danforths in anchor chain link snapping conditions, (I use long 3 ply and chain hooks not snubbers).
All anchor companies tend to hype their own products, so the, "When you need to be sure", part is a typical example of that hype.
I will buy a used one one day, but like the genuine Bronze Herrey, (Affectionate short for genuine Herreshoff), they are real tough to find in Blighty.

Now if you want an example of marketing hype, this is a good one:
Features - Fortress Anchors

As strong as steel, but only half the weight, Guardian anchors are second only to Fortress FX model in holding power tests. They make an excellent spare or storm anchor for your boat or yacht.

Umm, err, I don't think I'm going to use one as a storm anchor, cos there were top of the bendy tables. Like all Danforth based designs they are not the best in heavy weed, (Lack of weight vs area), and if you start dragging around some anchorages, some light to moderate weed is a fact of life, as is debris that gets stuck in the gap between the flukes and shank. Good anchor for kedging off or use in a tender if you put tennis balls on the ends etc. Very popular with race yachts and power boaters, a must have item if you need to share toothbrushes and use powdered toothpaste to save weight. Every gram counts at the finish line, although an Australian company do make a plastic version of some good anchors:
5 Piece Anchor Set – Lightship Learning (lightship-learning.co.uk)

Or this one for adults:
KAYAK ANCHOR AUSTRALIA >> ALL NEW PLASTIC LIGHT WEIGHT ANCHOR ..Only 230 grams Kayak, Canoe and JESTSKI Anchor in Australia! The BEST Anchor for your KAYAK, Canoe, JETSKI or Small Boat NEW #PLASTIC #KAYAKANCHOR #BESTANCHOR FOR KAYAK IN AUSTRALIA (inventions-store.com.au)

 

[SaltIre]

Umm, now you don't suppose that article is an advertisment of any kind do you ?? After all it does have links as to where to buy the list of NG anchors.

No.

 

[john_morris_uk]

Umm, now you don't suppose that article is an advertisment of any kind do you ?? After all it does have links as to where to buy the list of NG anchors.

Off topic
The first thing to learn about buying anchors is to ignore the advertising claims and look for more independent data, although they are useful for current cost assesment.
Amazinzone are better than Fleabay in that they seem to pay for return postage, and they do use faster better delivery methods. Fleabay is often cheaper and it's more obvious who the seller is. I buy marine gear from both, but tend to prefer Fleabay due to a better range of junk items. Even purchased a slightly dirty very fire resistant top of the range survival suit made in Finland for oil rig and oil tanker crews. 80 quid was a real steal of a deal, (Bad pictures made it look like it was no good), as it's still in current production and is the most expensive survial suit around, and the most expensive at 1400 Euros plus VAT and shipping. A few weeks later I got an almost new, (Dirty feet), standard Noddy suit with built in manual life jacket for 80 quid, (About 200 new).

I might need to test my beloved lifeboat during the winter in the Portland race during an RNLI training day, and I don't like the idea of freezing to death or having an Oceanic White Tip chew on me, (No smell or electric field so rather shark attack resistant). Never seen an OWT, probably because they are very rare, but if one turns up and starts circling it's far worse than having a Great White or Tiger turn up, as they always attack, so the modern thinking is to never turn your back on a shark, and think about attacking it before it attacks you. Trying to hit one on the nose has gone out of favour, as it can result in the loss of an arm, so try prodding it in the gills which are nearly as sensitive as the nose. I will be carrying a standard billy stick down a trouser leg when I can find a good used one, as starting a puch up with a shark at very close range is not my idea of a fair fight !!!

And now we have confirmation that some people really do live in a fantasy world.
Please can we arrange tickets to watch someone fighting a shark. The first interesting part will be how you get your ‘billy stick’ out from your trouser leg whilst wearing your survival suit.
This is before you start ‘fighting’ the shark in their territory whilst wearing a survival suit and lifejacket. Your claimed certainly about shark behaviour is based on what research?

Another interesting moment would be your conversation with the police when stopped with a billy stick in your possession.

 

[Yachtingsouthwest]

Yes it does appear that Fortress are willing to send new parts when one is bent, so it does seem odd that if they are willing to do that, that they do not change their warranty to match that of a Bulwagga. I've checked my facts over the Fortress warranty, which is the same as Lewmar's and the only thought I have is that if the failure is in the first year of the sale, then they are obliged to replace it under the terms of a gaurantee that varies from country to country, but I think is one year for most, except for Germany where it's 2 years. If the anchor is imported through Fleabay and fails after the 14 or 30 day returns period, bad luck. With a gaurantee you do not have to prove the part is faulty, but with a warranty you might need to do that. Keep the receipts as a lot of companies ask about when it was purchased.

I was the chappie who pointed out that the USCG RIB's use a Fortress, probably because they need to keep the weight as low as possible, and their RIB's operate mostly in harbours and estuaries where the bottom is mostly mud or sand.
I thought the Fortress out performed all the NG anchors in weight vs performance terms, but we are talking or looking at the results for one type only, and alas having seen a Fortress in a USCG RIB some years ago, it did notice it was not a kit built anchor. The USCG and RNLI can afford to order a better version from a manufacturer, in either basic construction terms or material use.

Now for a link that everyone says is rubbish cos it's a mature one, but is of interest because it compares the Spade, Bulwagga, CQR, Danforth, Bronze Herreshoff and Fortress and others by what I call deck area vs performance, my favourite link follows, but if you want to save time, the results were in the order I've just listed. For those like myself who like to see an anchor with a welded D ring, only the CQR and Herreshoff have such shackles fitted. Oddly enough they are often missing from copies. Those shackles can effect the tip weight if cut off, as appears to be the case in one CQR Steve tested that is a genuine one. So the offensive, out of date, irrelevant link that has only 2 NG anchors in it, so is not worth reading, boom, boom, boom & trumpet sounds, here is it is:
Anchor Reset Tests - Practical Sailor (practical-sailor.com)

Edited extract that I have etched into my brain cell:
The Herreshoff Bronze was a surprise. This very handsome new version of a very traditional anchor set quickly, in 2′, and broke out and reset itself in 3′. In sand, its weak point is holding. It dragged at 300 lbs., 100 lbs. short of the 400-lb. requirement.
The best lightweight anchor was the Fortress, which simply swiveled in a horizontal plane around the shank and took up its new alignment. In the setting and holding tests, the Fortress ranked near the middle.

That is at odds slightly to Steve's results, although that might be due to a mixed mud and sand bottom or the way the 180 veer test was done. I do like replies that list anchor pairs, (Seperate rodes), and links, rather than all the common insults and rants, or demands that any post I send is removed just because I question modern designs. We are still using the wheel which has been around for a very long time, and even the basic wooden version is still popular and in current production in many different countries.

Why do you continue to use the USCG and RNLI as examples of anchor use. The anchors carried on board are not used in the same way used on cruising vessels.

The RNLI use a short section of heavy chain around 5m long and then 110m of 3strand off the back of that on the AWLs. On the ILBs a boat length of chain and pre stretched braid on braid is used for veering down purposes.

As for the USCG they carry a normal fortress anchor that can be purchased by any member of the public, no special strengthening.

Trevs Nautical Lunatic Institute is a very accurate name for the way you present on this forum. Continually spouting incorrect facts and fantasised theories.

 

[vyv_cox]

Umm, now you don't suppose that article is an advertisment of any kind do you ?? After all it does have links as to where to buy the list of NG anchors.

Yachting Monthly always lists suppliers of every article topic, from the lowest to highest cost. Having written a few of them myself I know they are not in any way advertising, particularly as many of them can be highly critical.

 

[Yachtingsouthwest]

Umm, now you don't suppose that article is an advertisment of any kind do you ?? After all it does have links as to where to buy the list of NG anchors.

Off topic
The first thing to learn about buying anchors is to ignore the advertising claims and look for more independent data, although they are useful for current cost assesment.
Amazinzone are better than Fleabay in that they seem to pay for return postage, and they do use faster better delivery methods. Fleabay is often cheaper and it's more obvious who the seller is. I buy marine gear from both, but tend to prefer Fleabay due to a better range of junk items. Even purchased a slightly dirty very fire resistant top of the range survival suit made in Finland for oil rig and oil tanker crews. 80 quid was a real steal of a deal, (Bad pictures made it look like it was no good), as it's still in current production and is the most expensive survial suit around, and the most expensive at 1400 Euros plus VAT and shipping. A few weeks later I got an almost new, (Dirty feet), standard Noddy suit with built in manual life jacket for 80 quid, (About 200 new).

I might need to test my beloved lifeboat during the winter in the Portland race during an RNLI training day, and I don't like the idea of freezing to death or having an Oceanic White Tip chew on me, (No smell or electric field so rather shark attack resistant). Never seen an OWT, probably because they are very rare, but if one turns up and starts circling it's far worse than having a Great White or Tiger turn up, as they always attack, so the modern thinking is to never turn your back on a shark, and think about attacking it before it attacks you. Trying to hit one on the nose has gone out of favour, as it can result in the loss of an arm, so try prodding it in the gills which are nearly as sensitive as the nose. I will be carrying a standard billy stick down a trouser leg when I can find a good used one, as starting a puch up with a shark at very close range is not my idea of a fair fight !!!

You seem to have an obsession with the RNLI and trying to form your own garden Noahs ark into some form of rescue craft which is a dangerous notion.