All new Dufou 41

[geem]

Shovel for Geem!

You what? Shovel for Lustyd. Ran out of argument. So resorted nonesense?

 

[flaming]

If sales blurb was more honest about the intended use I wouldn't be on this thread.

Lol. These threads are catnip to you!

 

[jordanbasset]

"I once owned an old boat, narrow beam, cramped accommodation, dark and depressing colours, low headroom, damp and with an ambient smell of mould

...trapped in a dark wooden box.

...tiny dark boats with no creature comforts that cross oceans well and have a wardrobe full of hair shirts.

You can endure proper sailing without suffering the constant urge to varnish or heat tins of Fray Bentos over a spirit stove.

….very depressing. There’s no outdoor space at all, it has the feel of a prison ship to me.

For those whose idea of boating fun resembles a solitary SAS yomp across a Falklands moor,

I wouldn’t want your boat as a gift "


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Was it an Anderson 22...

 

[lustyd]

You what? Shovel for Lustyd. Ran out of argument. So resorted nonesense?

If you'd like to keep digging go ahead. I'm quite willing to admit that yours is some very adventurous sailing. You're probably the most adventurous sailor on the forum, in fact. I've ordered you a medal to honour your amazing feats.

I do have to wonder though, why the people in lovelly spacious modern catamarans who do those passages while looking after a baby and filming for YouTube consider it just another day at sea while you in your sea kindly ocean going craft seem quite perturbed by the experience and feel the need to tell everyone else they couldn't possibly manage such sailing epics. In between bumming around tropical islands, of course.

Must be a personality thing

 

[Resolution]

What a wonderful thread! In the blue corner we have Flaming , who is young(ish), modern , fast and seldom wrong. In the red corner we have Geem who is old(er), wise (mostly) and has a yacht that many of us would give our eye teeth for. Ably supported by a cast of opinionated sailors of almost every type, sometimes right, often not quite. Makes me itch to get us all out on the water together to try out each other's boats and styles of yachting, and then start the debate all over again.

 

[KevinV]

Makes me itch to get us all out on the water together to try out each other's boats and styles of yachting, and then start the debate all over again.

Can't we skip the sailing, head straight for the clubhouse, get woefully pissed, get thrown out, fail to have a punch-up because we keep falling over, then lean on each other to wend our weary way home - to mutterings of "I love you man.. No, no, really, I love you, you're a pal"?

 

[lustyd]

We can try but we’ll have to pick a rare day when we’re all ashore. Apparently a ome of us sail oceans 375 days a year so might be a challenge ?

 

[Resolution]

Can't we skip the sailing, head straight for the clubhouse, get woefully pissed, get thrown out, fail to have a punch-up because we keep falling over, then lean on each other to wend our weary way home - to mutterings of "I love you man.. No, no, really, I love you, you're a pal"?

Yes!

 

[geem]

We can try but we’ll have to pick a rare day when we’re all ashore. Apparently a ome of us sail oceans 375 days a year so might be a challenge ?

Only done one passage over 500nm in the last year but I can now kitesurf pretty good and learning to wing foil. Isn't it great being retired?

 

[lustyd]

Only done one passage over 500nm in the last year but I can now kitesurf pretty good and learning to wing foil. Isn't it great being retired?

I'm confused, do you stop in anchorages or not? Most people would find it challenging to learn how to wing foil on an ocean passage. You're literally describing the kind of thing I do on my boat, having spent the better part of the thread telling everyone how mundane that lifestyle is. I can only assume you're in the closet about your AWB ambitions.

 

[geem]

I'm confused, do you stop in anchorages or not? Most people would find it challenging to learn how to wing foil on an ocean passage. You're literally describing the kind of thing I do on my boat, having spent the better part of the thread telling everyone how mundane that lifestyle is. I can only assume you're in the closet about your AWB ambitions.

You do take these things personally. I am talking about a Durour 41. Not everything is about you. The point is that the Durour sales blurb says its for sailing oceans. Its not. Its for doing what you do. Short hops and stop a while. We do long hops and stop a while. Different boat needed. You can drag this out as long as you like but I am getting a bit bored now. Need to go and do some sailing?

 

[Momac]

I take it from some comments on this thread true sailors don't socialise or care for comfortable accommodation and only do very long challenging journeys.
I get that .

But why be so critical of those who would prefer a more relaxed aspect of boating?

I certainly find the Dufour 41 attractive from the angle of the interior layout for example. I do get the reaction to its exterior looks but that would not worry me.

Not at all sure what such a thing costs but if the funds should magically be made available I would certainly like to take take a closer look.

 

[mrming]

There have been plenty of ugly cruising boats over the last 50 odd years and the Dufour 41 is certainly one of them. Silly to use it as a proxy for “modern designs” though imo. There are a diverse range of modern yacht designs available to suit almost any purpose, and some of them (imo) manage to have nice lines and safe interiors to boot. I have a Westerly as I can afford it and it works for me. If I had money I would certainly be looking at a Pogo or an RM. ?

 

[Frogmogman]

Alll I did was say I didn’t like the windows?

WHATEVER you do, don’t mention the anchor

 

[Norman_E]

We have a lovely view on our mooring, the Dufour would probably fit in our space. Ideal for life on a mooring, but how do people feel about life on board heeled at a very moderate 25 degrees?

As with many new boats it has a hull shape designed for internal volume at the expense of sailing ability, and compounds it with an absence of handholds below.

 

[Frogmogman]

As with many new boats it has a hull shape designed for internal volume at the expense of sailing ability, and compounds it with an absence of handholds below.

Many new boats have high volume designs because it is what makes them fast (unless you fill that volume up with heavy stuff….).

 

[Martin_J]

Whether ocean crossing, cruising locally or racing ... Am I missing something but that mainsheet arrangement on the Dufour looks like a trip hazard both at the forward end and at the aft end of the coachroof...



Strangely it looks the same on that Jeanneau that was mentioned...



Do they really insist on tripping you up an the way to flake the main then again when you head from there to the foredeck?

It would be a nightmare on a sunny day, let alone on a dark, wet, windy night.

 

[Martin_J]

I've just noticed as I posted that, that with shrouds mounted where they are, there's no clear walk to the foredeck on the side deck either.

 

[Buck Turgidson]

I've just noticed as I posted that, that with shrouds mounted where they are, there's no clear walk to the foredeck on the side deck either.

The shrouds couldn't be further outboard! I really don't get your point at all.

 

[Martin_J]

The shrouds couldn't be further outboard! I really don't get your point at all.

There's a diagonal lower stay that you have to duck under (whilst heeled) and if you step onto the coachroof to move forward there's that line from the gooseneck to the side of the coachroof...



Maybe I'm alone in preferring a walk to the foredeck without catching my head on a lower shrouds. Our chain plates allow a walk forward outside the shrouds.