lustyd
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Yes on your boat I imagine it's quite a different prospect than most monohulls, and quite a bit more fun and engaging too
All new Dufou 41
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Zagato
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Perhaps the traditional styling yet more modern form of the Rustler 42 shows there is a demand for compromise to keep everyone happy.
Tranona
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For maybe 5 or 10 people a year who can afford one!
lustyd
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I don't think cost needs to come into the conversation, most of us can't afford the Dufour anyway. It's an interesting comparison for me as I expect most won't argue the ocean credentials of Rustler, but it still lacks the things I want. I don't like the layout, I don't like the interior design, and I most of all don't like the deck layout as it's too focussed on being underway, meaning when you drop the hook it compromises on every aspect of day to day life. I'll admit large open cockpits are the other way around, but on a large passage I'm not at the helm anyway. On a short passage I don't care, while at anchor I really really care.
Zagato
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Well having recently decided my last boat will be a Norfolk Gypsy, yacht design is one less thing to worry about, although interesting. I will let you accomplished sailers decide the whys and wherefores.
My simple needs now are a cockpit comfortable for the family, a cosy cabin big enough for only me for a few peaceful unsociable nights, something I can easily maintain myself at home in the winter and not have to pay or deal with any trades at all and it suits my preferred limited sailing jaunts away from the crowds, beached or anchored up quiet estuaries. I will also trail her to new destinations home and abroad to potter about on ? less hassle more fun... I,m not in a rush anymore?
My simple needs now are a cockpit comfortable for the family, a cosy cabin big enough for only me for a few peaceful unsociable nights, something I can easily maintain myself at home in the winter and not have to pay or deal with any trades at all and it suits my preferred limited sailing jaunts away from the crowds, beached or anchored up quiet estuaries. I will also trail her to new destinations home and abroad to potter about on ? less hassle more fun... I,m not in a rush anymore?
Tranona
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That is all exactly what potential buyers who can afford it are looking for and why such boats exist - so long as they can find enough buyers to make a profit. Dare I say it, much the same as my Morgan! lots of armchair car enthusiasts drool over them and a few can afford to buy. Only needs 750 a year to keep them going.
Wansworth
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Re reading the publicity and watching the video I would like to see where the solar panels are to go and the two dinghies that blue water sailers require and the installation of a wind vane or is it going to be electric hydronic steering,and what is the subtitle difference from “adventure”. to “ocean”.Interesting to here the opinion of our own ocean crosser recently arrived in the Caribbean.
Wansworth
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It’s quite common when selling new houses to actually fit out the show house with furniture and artistically arranged magazines and wine glasses and a bottle,could not their digital creation show us were all the cruising paraphernalia would go.
Laser310
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There is, in this thread, a little bit of a tendency to extend the aesthetic and other problems with the Dufour 41 to all modern boats.
The Dufour 41 is, to me, a very unattractive boat.
But, I like modern boats -when they are done well.
I've sailed 1000's of miles on a variety of newer X-Yachts (XP44, X4.9, XP55). Mostly I think they look pretty good, and they sail pretty well. Some are better than others, but the good ones are pretty good.
As far as interior design goes; i happen to like a clean modern aesthetic for a liveaboard.
I was on an RM 1270 this past summer, and loved it: the salon is luminous, with loads of natural light and almost no dark wood anywhere. It is as far removed from the cave-like aspect of more traditional boats as a monohull can be. And, it's a true sailors boat: ergonomics above and below decks are mostly excellent. The sail plan and rigging are quite refined compared with almost any cruising boat of any vintage.
The Dufour 41 is, to me, a very unattractive boat.
But, I like modern boats -when they are done well.
I've sailed 1000's of miles on a variety of newer X-Yachts (XP44, X4.9, XP55). Mostly I think they look pretty good, and they sail pretty well. Some are better than others, but the good ones are pretty good.
As far as interior design goes; i happen to like a clean modern aesthetic for a liveaboard.
I was on an RM 1270 this past summer, and loved it: the salon is luminous, with loads of natural light and almost no dark wood anywhere. It is as far removed from the cave-like aspect of more traditional boats as a monohull can be. And, it's a true sailors boat: ergonomics above and below decks are mostly excellent. The sail plan and rigging are quite refined compared with almost any cruising boat of any vintage.
ylop
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Actually I think a lot of the benefit would be lost in a marina. Looking at your fenders and the pontoon and boat next door. This is a boat for charters/families cruising in, and I suspect will do rather well in that market.
I think you are wrong with the first part of that. Human beings (in the developed world) have changed enormously in the last century, for better or worse we have more free time, live longer, are more used to creature comforts, travel long distances easily by plane, add in 'work from boat' and 'instantly share our travel stories on social media' and we've even changed quite a lot in the last decade or two. And I think you could add a growing equality for the rest of the crew too - no longer is a wife dragged along or left at home but it is likely much more of a joint purchase which might have different priorities.
And I suspect very few of them will be used to cross oceans, but given lots of boats which on appearance are better designed for crossing oceans never seem to actually leave their moorings I wonder if demand for ocean crossing vessels is overstated.
I think people tend to thing "I could cross an ocean in this" in much the same way as "I could drive across a field in a landrover defender", it would be reassuring, it might even be fun to do once or twice, but actually most people will benefit from a decent heater, comfy seats and being able to hear the sound system so whilst technically the defender might be "better" its never going to be suited to normal usage.
I am nowhere near as reticent about hull windows as many others here are. But I was surprised to see them below the chain plates. I assume that Dufour have modelled where the forces go, but it feels wrong to my untrained eye.
Wansworth
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Agree about the chain plates,must have moved on structurally since the Westerlies
Wansworth
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Well Dufour are getting great exposure?
Tranona
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There is nothing new about this. The "crossing oceans" claim has been used for years as a reason for choosing a particular design, even though most boats would go no further than pottering up and down (or maybe across) the channel or North Sea.
dune16
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I personally don't like the look of the new 41 but I am a big fan of more modern designs rather than the older ones. Also, for me, the space, comforts etc a modern awb offers were a keen seller for my family. If I'd gone with an older boat my partner etc would almost certainly have been far less keen to join me onboard. Pros and cons to old vs new but with my current boat (2021 Lagoon 42 cat) I'd have no concerns taking her across oceans, same goes for my previous boat (a 2020 Dufour 430) although that boat would have needed more prep from the "factory" standard ?
capnsensible
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I expect they will sell well outside of Lake Solent. There is a lot of sailing going on in many other places.
Concerto
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This needs correcting.I expect they will sell well outside of Lake Solent. There is a lot of sailing going on in many other places.
There is a lot of sailing going on in many other warmer places.
That's better.
Chiara’s slave
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The Solent is pretty bleak right now. But, having migrated south for a week, there’s absolutely zero activity here, on the water, in spite of bright sunshine and 17C. Weather like this in the Solent, and you could walk from Yarmouth to Lymington, stepping from boat to boat.
capnsensible
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I suppose you could misinterpret it that way if you really wanted to.
WindyWindyWindy
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Might be awkward in the med, parked up stern to you'd be able to see through 5 or 6 boats in the morning..I expect they will sell well outside of Lake Solent. There is a lot of sailing going on in many other places.
capnsensible
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Pull the curtains.