Advice wanted, another 'what boat to buy?' thread

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Last year with advancing years we decided to sell our Finngulf 33 and give up sailing. When we bought it in 2007 we were downsizing and perhaps then I focussed too much on style and performance but we were sure it would be our last boat. About a month after an offer was accepted I started to get itchy and around Christmas I bought a motor boat, a Nimbus 27 coupe. I spent the last six months while my wife was waiting for a new knee, upgrading and sorting it out. No matter how I try, I can not get to like it much, I do not like the noise or the motion, the passages despite being quicker are boring and I can not work up any great enthusiasm to use it, or develop any real pride in it, it is now clear that selling the Finngulf was a big mistake, we should have let it see us out, even if we motored it a lot more.
So I have persuaded my wife that when she is mobile again we should try to get back to sail, I do not think we want a motor sailer (unless it is one that sails) but a small yacht that can get us about the West Coast and islands in reasonable comfort, we have been studying all the smaller yachts passing under our windows.
My criteria, none of which are absolute -
Fin keel, deck stepped mast, preferably single spreader not much more than 12-13 m. tall so that we can put it up with the club derrick.
Tiller steering (or big wheel) we like to steer sitting on the coaming.
Reasonable engine (fresh water cooling?)
Room to sleep 2 in comfort and up to five at WHYW.
Sufficient performance not to come last in white sail at West Highland Week,
Max. length 32-33' (to allow it to winter in the Club yard across the street)
Budget somewhere in the £20-40k range?
Reasonably easy for my executor too sell on.

So I was looking at Moody 28s and 31 MkIIs and that led me to S31s but they seem pricey for their age so perhaps there is a Jeanneau or Dufour or something that would be a better fit, I am prejudiced toward the Moodys because I owned Sigmas back in my racing days and unfortunately have paid little attention to French boats, I also have developed an irrational prejudice against Hanse though this does not extend to Dehler or Bavaria.
So I don't mind if you push the boat that you currently or previously owned, just tell me what you think I should look at, it could help me avoid making another stupid mistake.
 
I would say that a Moody 31 is a good boat and sails well. Most still have the old VP 2003 which may or may not be a "reasonable" engine. Some are, some are not.
Condition has a huge affect on price. Friends have found them easy to sell (not in current economic conditions) because they are well regarded.
I have often thought about upgrading but I sail on my own sometimes (or effectively so) and it's a good size for that.
 
Budget somewhere in the £20-40k range?
Reasonably easy for my executor too sell on.

Are u my dad back from the dead.....

He once engaged me in a conversation about how to sell his chairlift back to the company that installed it after he popped his clogs........
 
I also have developed an irrational prejudice against Hanse

It was all going so well until you said that. :rolleyes:

Still the 301 is nothing like the later Hanses, and it certainly will not embarass you at West Highland Week. Size-wise it is comparable to the Moody 28 but I daresay will outsail one of those. Good examples about 25k so budget left over to get it up to spec.

I think given the criteria I would probably be looking at Bavarias in the 32 foot range and also the Jenneau SO range of around the 10-15 year vintage.

Going to get beat by the Hanse at West Highland Week though.
 
Quandary, I know you will gasp at this but there is probably a decent yacht at low cost that you and your wife can easily use. Ian Nicolson, that famous and much respected surveyor, is selling his Rival 34 Saint Foy, guaranteed to be a sound yacht. Okay, it wont be a Sigma 33, nor will it be your Fingulf or a Bavaria, but the price is good, the sail is solid and surprisingly fast and it's local, cost is low. Just a thought. I can see that the Fingulf aesthetics may make the Rivals challenging for both your and your missus. :-)

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1973/Rival-34-2942629/Rosneath/United-Kingdom#.V2MKFFf_Sdc
 
As someone who has just become the owner of Moody 31 Mk11 I have been delighted with most aspects of the boat. Sails well ( I am not into racing), comfortable motion and dry when a sea is running and very well finished down below. The engine I have is the original Volvo which starts on the button and runs faultlessly. The 'shakedown' cruise was a 17 hour motor into the wind from Amsterdam to Ostende where the engine proved to be plenty powerful enough running into a lumpy seaway, followed by a superb sail from Ostende to Ramsgate and the another great sail from Ramsgate to the Medway. I cannot be more pleased with the Moody so would certainly suggest you find one locally and give it the once over.
 
Early 2000s Bavaria 32. Matches all your basic criteria. Plenty around and comfortably in your price range. Does have a double spreader rig, though, as do most fractional rig boats of that size.
 
Boots, I have no doubt that a boat owned by Ian Nicolson will be in good order but I am not sure if I am old enough for a Rival yet. I did the Tomatin Trophy (now Scottish Series) on one back in about 75, I can barely remember how she sailed but with the late Norman Frederick the food was good though I did once have to sleep on the floor.
The Elan is very appealing, almost too much so, I think it reminds me too much of the Finngulf; one of the issues with her was storing and stepping the big keel stepped mast which was too long for the boatyard and had to be wheeled up the canal towpath to our garden, then getting wound to the top to fit the senders and set spreader angles etc. on the way down, I only went up twice a year but with a gammy leg it was a long trip. I think the Moodies are still favourite but I promise to look at the Hanse. No one recommending anything French yet?
 
Apology. The Jeanneau in Ardfern is very tidy and close by, but in W. Scotland there is not much point in shallow draught or bilge keels and I do not think I would like the little wheel in the middle of the cockpit, but I might look around to see if there is a fin keel one somewhere. I presume there is also a Benny equivalent.
 
It was all going so well until you said that. :rolleyes:

Still the 301 is nothing like the later Hanses, and it certainly will not embarass you at West Highland Week. Size-wise it is comparable to the Moody 28 but I daresay will outsail one of those. Good examples about 25k so budget left over to get it up to spec.

I think given the criteria I would probably be looking at Bavarias in the 32 foot range and also the Jenneau SO range of around the 10-15 year vintage.

Going to get beat by the Hanse at West Highland Week though.


+2!

I was concerned about Hanse build quality but I need not have worried!

The 301 is a development of the 291... which was a slightly altered Aphrodite 291.... a Carl Beyer design purchased outright by Hanse in 93....

They sail REALLY well and are great for shorthanding.. build quality on the boats is pretty good... there were some grumblings of keel bolt rusting bolts on early boats... but I dont think that this was a real issue... and I havent seen any mention of this since the early 2000's.....

They are a really pretty boat... and I would not hesitate to buy one.
Read more at http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthrea...perienced-opinions-sought#JVzFAiXuVdTzbWqT.99

Hanse 301 Blue Note II.jpg
 
I would think a Westerly Fulmar would tick most of your boxes. There's also a very nice Ocean 33 on the WOA website in Northern Island, but it might be a bit over budget.
 
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Re St Ian
don't think he kept it very long probably got fed up winning races by perseverance as I recall he finished some time time after everyone else but managed to sail better than his handicap
Have a look at last years Scottish results
 
I followed BlowingOldBoot's link and spotted this:

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1968/Northney-34-2956155/Rhu/United-Kingdom#.V2Q1c-n2ZpM

Well. True, it fails to meet almost every one of your requirements but still it's a fine thing.

She is lovely though, a touch of real class, if she sails as well as she looks would be hard to resist, but I would worry about always putting the time in to keep her as good as she is, a years neglect would be ruinous.
Co-incidentally an Elan 333 went past this morning, she looked great except for a teak deck which did not impress but I suspect that while she might perform as well as our old Finngulf, she might be a bit less easy shorthanded, the helm was having problems manouvreing that we never had. Another passing today,was a Sadler 29, I liked it too, but having owned a Trapper 300 once, I do not think I could take the narrow cockpit aft, it introduced another criteria, a transom step and a big enough bum for an inflated Redcrest, we want to be able to launch and get in and out without acrobatics.
I will follow up all the suggestions and any new ones, the responses are appreciated. Thanks.
 
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