Access to Marinas during Covid 19 restrictions

ip485 said:
BTW I very much doubt the QHM has any legal basis and more importantly any scientific rational for doing any such thing.
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I think you will find that QHM's legal powers within the Dockyard Port of Portsmouth area are far greater than you can imagine. He does not need to adhere to 'scientific rational' to do anything!
 
Blue Sunray said:
NTM just out from APB Southampton. Whilst I agree with their sentiments, making incorrect statements does them no favours

"however the Government has advised that marinas should be closed. "

so far as I have seen the Government had made no such advice, indeed noting that have said that I've seen has mentioned marinas and I'd have though at least someone would have spotted it if they had and mentioned it on one of the numerous threads on the subject.

http://www.southamptonvts.co.uk/admin/content/files/NTMs/2020 No 15 (T) COVID 19 - Recreational Boating.pdf
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;)

Little Grebe said:
The government mandated the closure of caravan parks, on the back of this the BMF have advised their members to consider themselves in the same light and consequently shut down.
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Blue Sunray said:
NTM just out from APB Southampton. Whilst I agree with their sentiments, making incorrect statements does them no favours

"however the Government has advised that marinas should be closed. "

so far as I have seen the Government had made no such advice, indeed noting that have said that I've seen has mentioned marinas and I'd have though at least someone would have spotted it if they had and mentioned it on one of the numerous threads on the subject.

http://www.southamptonvts.co.uk/admin/content/files/NTMs/2020 No 15 (T) COVID 19 - Recreational Boating.pdf
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Tradewinds said:
Covid-19 - Guidance for Marina Operators - IBB Solicitors
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Although the Government guidance on business closures does not specifically mention marinas, it is likely that commercial marinas will fall within the heading of “holiday rentals” and are therefore required to close with effect from Tuesday 24 March 2020.
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The last quote is from the link in Tradewind's post. An opinion from a legal team advising marina operators.
 
FlyingGoose said:
There is no distance laws , people are allowed to drive to take their dogs out and to exercise, the rules are no large gatherings , the rules are pretty clear, to those that think we should all stay locked in our houses , when we need to get to the supermarkets, the chemists, fresh air , walk the dog ,are not thinking in any logical mindset, stop treating people as we are all stupid , it is perfectly easy to keep social distancing outside , more so than having to go to the supermarket.
driving to get to a place for exercise is not banned, if it was were is the distance rules, were is the ban on driving, were is the ban on leaving the house there is none, pretty easy to understand and follow,
Also if your boat is near by and you can get to it without forming a group and there are not many people around then you can work on your boat, if the yard is open, as to touching trolleys and gates , wear gloves and wash your hands again pretty easy and simple measures to control the spread,
The virus is mainly spread though person to person contact via water droplets form that person hence the 2 metre rule , standing at your boat with no one near you and you drove there will not spread a virus ,
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Well said. The important point of the rules is not to restrict your activities (although they do) but to prevent transmission of this dangerous virus. Unfortunately some people behave in ways that are dangerous at this time. I think that it is daft however that some jumped up jobsworths have taken a Draconian attitude and have criticized people who are behaving responsibility and keeping a safe distance, like those seen walking in the Peak District

Round our way the car parks at country parks are closed but the parks are open. So our narrow road is obstructed by cars parked by people visiting the park.
 
I‘m a director of a holiday village in Cornwall. The council have just served us with a Data Protection Exemption certificate requiring us to provide contact details for all our cottage owners so that they can prevent any holiday lets taking place. We’d already advised our owners to cancel any let’s for the time being but there are still some occupied cottages.
There are exemptions to the blanket policy but it’s clear that the council will be taking enforcement action to stop holiday makers or second home owners from using their cottages.
 
"I think you will find that QHM's legal powers within the Dockyard Port of Portsmouth area are far greater than you can imagine. He does not need to adhere to 'scientific rational' to do anything!"
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Perhaps. I would hope he wouldnt do anything unless it was justified. I would be very surprised if he would.

As to the Council taking action against second home owners, I would caution them against doing so. I doubt such action would be legal, but that will be a matter for the Courts. So far these sort of actions have not sat very comfortably with either the Government or the Courts.
 
ip485 said:
Perhaps. I would hope he wouldnt do anything unless it was justified. I would be very surprised if he would.

As to the Council taking action against second home owners, I would caution them against doing so. I doubt such action would be legal, but that will be a matter for the Courts. So far these sort of actions have not sat very comfortably with either the Government or the Courts.
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Travel to second homes is covered in the guidance - it's not essential travel. So yes, you would have to convince a court you had a reasonable excuse to travel.
 
Lightwave395 said:
I await the weekend with interest, especially Sunday with the warm weather forecast, to see if the hundreds of boat owners in and around the Solent area all decide there's no harm in their 'self isolating' on their boats or working on them in the boatyard they're in ?
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Last weekend was a bit dull, better weather and increasing boredom - I think you're right. And not only the Solent.
 
penberth3 said:
Travel to second homes is covered in the guidance - it's not essential travel. So yes, you would have to convince a court you had a reasonable excuse to travel.
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"My partner works for the NHS so I'm moving to our Devon house with the children" sounds pretty reasonable to me. I suspect that any council trying a blanket ban on second home use would find it difficult to make stick. The restrictions and advice have been widely disseminated and I hope the overwhelming majority of second home owners are sensible about it.
 
Do second home owners not pay council tax , and if so why can they not go to a house they own . necessary travel could entail the gas is still of the electricity etc, but I could make the same argument about my Boat :LOL: Bastardos have locked the gate
 
From the BBC:
Staying at home this weekend is an instruction and "not a request", Health Secretary Matt Hancock said as he updated the country on the coronavirus.
Speaking at the No 10 briefing, Mr Hancock said that while warm weather was forecast in some areas this weekend "the disease is still spreading".

I also read about the NHS workers who have died after contracting the disease. Like all of us, I would love to visit my boat this weekend. It is a 15 minute drive away, I can see the mast when I go for a walk or a run. I'm not risking anything to anyone. But I should and will respect the sacrifice and dedication of those who have died in the service of our country, even if I could have a lovely sail with 15kts on the beam.
 
You guys may need to listen to what your Health Secretary has said:

He continues: "I end with the advice we all know. This advice is not a request, it is an instruction.
"Stay at home, protect lives and then you will be doing your part."
 
Crazy-Diamond said:
From the BBC:
Staying at home this weekend is an instruction and "not a request", Health Secretary Matt Hancock said as he updated the country on the coronavirus.
Speaking at the No 10 briefing, Mr Hancock said that while warm weather was forecast in some areas this weekend "the disease is still spreading".

I also read about the NHS workers who have died after contracting the disease. Like all of us, I would love to visit my boat this weekend. It is a 15 minute drive away, I can see the mast when I go for a walk or a run. I'm not risking anything to anyone. But I should and will respect the sacrifice and dedication of those who have died in the service of our country, even if I could have a lovely sail with 15kts on the beam.
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Unfortunately an Instruction or a request , has as much authority as a fart in a thunder storm ,, and if anyone is going to their boat or going out , no one will stop them now , if they have not got the message ,, there are those who can be stupid and those than can travels and never meet a soul
 
Bodach na mara said:
Well said. The important point of the rules is not to restrict your activities (although they do) but to prevent transmission of this dangerous virus. Unfortunately some people behave in ways that are dangerous at this time. I think that it is daft however that some jumped up jobsworths have taken a Draconian attitude and have criticized people who are behaving responsibility and keeping a safe distance, like those seen walking in the Peak District

Round our way the car parks at country parks are closed but the parks are open. So our narrow road is obstructed by cars parked by people visiting the park.
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Lightwave395 said:
I await the weekend with interest, especially Sunday with the warm weather forecast, to see if the hundreds of boat owners in and around the Solent area all decide there's no harm in their 'self isolating' on their boats or working on them in the boatyard they're in ?
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Marinas might find themselves in deep water if allowing boatowners to even visit premises while being under closure, or not? Boatyards are a place of work. Just raising the question rather than giving an opinion.
Steveeasy
 
AntarcticPilot said:
I'm pretty certain I've had it - all the right symptoms, including altered sense of taste and smell. But I had it fairly mildly, and was never even close to needing hospital treatment, so I haven't been tested, and don't appear in any official statistics. From what I read, my case reflects the vast majority of cases. There are probably orders of magnitude more cases than official statistics report, the vast majority of which simply self-isolate and suffer the disease fairly mildly. Remember that confirmed, serious cases are the extreme end of the distribution curve - the vast majority simply suffer a mild flu-like illness.
But the potential for a much more serious illness in the elderly or chronically ill is very great, hence the restrictions on our activities.
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Both Wife and I have also had all the symptoms, but cannot test to make sure. Both avoid contact with others, but we surely can still move around in the car. Not much traffic around here to have an accident. Mind you few police - they are all in the towns and car parks.
 
We either do as we are asked to do, or even more draconian measures will be imposed - never mind arguing over the wording - just do as we are asked. When you see a nurse has died today who was a mother of 3 children the less pressure on the NHS the better. Bugger the sailing
 
coveman said:
We either do as we are asked to do, or even more draconian measures will be imposed - never mind arguing over the wording - just do as we are asked. When you see a nurse has died today who was a mother of 3 children the less pressure on the NHS the better. Bugger the sailing
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The wording from a government minster has no basis in law and he makes it up every day , those that will go out do not care what is said to them , and a Nurse has died sadly , but her Job Title does not put her above those already dead or can die in the future , what the public are getting sick of is been constantly told not to go out we know , we also know some w ill anyway , but every were I go Im told not to go out , even the bloody weather man told me not to go out at the weekend as its sunny happy days
Advert on my borser form GO outdoors the shop with its new slogan GO INDOORS NO I am going into my Garden and stuff the lot of you 23 days in lockdown look at me nowo_O
 
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