Access to Marinas during Covid 19 restrictions

I was referring of course to those that have passed, not to those the press or others imagine have been passed, but which are currenty guidance and ONLY guidance.

Comment was made today that traffic has increased - a little. The inference was this is a bad thing. It maybe. It equally could be people sensibly realising it is better to go somewhere there arent people (or too many). Today I spoke to a number of people locally and they all were horrified at the people out walking on the seafront - short of wandering the pavements, the best place for a bit of fresh air around here. Then they mentioned all the sweaty joggers going by, and dodging the bikes in the share with care lane - I cannot imagine an envireoment where keeping your distance was more difficult.

I only wish that the both sides of the debate were recognised and that often when people are concered they cant go for a walk without spending their time avoiding others they are possibly saying so not to be difficult, but because they really are trying to embrace the advice we have been given.

If I wasnt a key worker I could think of nothing better than burying my head on the boat - I could lose myself for days on end, trouble no one - and probably quite happily not even get off - I can make my own power, be self sufficent for a few weeks easily and type silly posts like these - what more does a man want!
 
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If you are stopped by the police, do they not have the right to demand one's identity under the old stop and search laws. The report stated above suggests that she refused to tell police who she was. That in itself is a breach of the law, or is that not so?
 
ip485 said:
.....I only wish that the both sides of the debate were recognised and that often when people are concered they cant go for a walk without spending their time avoiding others they are possibly saying so not to be difficult, but because they really are trying to embrace the advice we have been given.....
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You've explained your own circumstances, and what you're doing sounds reasonable. For most people it's still stay at home/exercise near home/do not travel unnecessarily. That's the guidance which backs up the Regulations.
 
You cannot be charged for refusing to provide any personal information and the Police must have reasonable grounds for arresting you - which in the case referred to above, I assume was the case because the person did not indicate why they were out and about - a question that does need to be answered under the powers granted by the new legislation referred above.

I think this partly explains as well the difficulty in legislating the way some might wish. It would require a fundamental rewrite of our laws concerning stop and search. As some countries have done of course you could close everything down and not allow people out without some form of official paperwork but unlike other countries we dont carry ID cards either so there is a raft of enforcement problems and issues concerned with leaving the police to determine whether they believe what a person is telling them, or not.
 
penberth3 said:
You've explained your own circumstances, and what you're doing sounds reasonable. For most people it's still stay at home/exercise near home/do not travel unnecessarily. That's the guidance which backs up the Regulations.
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FWIW I understand the argument that the Governemnt cannot trust many people to do the "right" thing for many reasons. I would not wish to go into those reasons. It is a point of view, but, not one to which I subscribe. You would need to listen to the interview of someone like Lord Sumption who is far more elequent that I;

Lord Sumption warns against police overstepping limits

(there will be Google links to the interview if you wish to find them).

I am just not a fan of underestimating people's intelligence and willingness to do the "right thing" and make sensible judgements - and the fact that inevitably a few dont isnt, in my view, a reason to treat the vast majority by the standards applicable to the lowest denominator.

and for the avoidance of doubt, I am a great fan of the police, on the whole they do an excellent job and that is why I wish to also protect them from involving themselves in matters, in my opinion, they should not or at least to the extent some have in the last few days.

Anyway I am off, far too much time on the keyboard, and dealing with this disaster in which we find ourselves is far more important than bitching about what we can and cannot do while this is all going on, albeit we do as well to remember the importance of our democratic process, becasue it is all we have this side of lawlessness.
 
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ip485 said:
FWIW I understand the argument that the Governemnt cannot trust many people to do the "right" thing for many reasons. I would not wish to go into those reasons. It is a point of view, but, not one to which I subscribe. You would need to listen to the interview of someone like Lord Sumption who is far more elequent that I;

Lord Sumption warns against police overstepping limits
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Yes, I had the misfortune to hear that on the radio. An academic lawyer ignoring the reality - no mention of the thousands of people flocking to coast and the hills on that first weekend, which prompted the crackdown. All seems a long time ago, doesn't it? He also said something about the Police destroying a beauty spot, an incident which had already been debunked as "fake news". So his lordship gets no credibility from me.
 
ip485 said:
the fact that inevitably a few dont isnt, in my view, a reason to treat the vast majority by the standards applicable to the lowest denominator.
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I'd love to agree with you but, unfortunately, this is precisely the way laws work. To give an example, most people would drive at a reasonable speed for the conditions. That may be a bit more than 30, sometimes quite a bit more. Unfortunately, a few idiots will drive way faster than is safe, so anyone who drives at 31 on a wide, empty road is a criminal.
 
Perspective,:) I believe that the vast majority are trying their best to isolate , keep their distance etc, as always in this country we need to feed of the negativity, and there are posters on here from abroad that condemn the UK and what is happening based on News, I have personally seen no one flouting the laws and people are friendly , helpful and all the places I need to go , chemists ,super market . there is great social distancing and help. and protection for staff ,
Unfortunately we are all not high IQ and some need to be told many times ,that is life in any country , it would be like saying there is no criminals in my country there are Society is not like that , so instead of focusing like the Hubble telescope on one person driving 50 miles, or going on a train journey , one person out on their boat cause I can see them on AIS ,or those trying to get their exercise , but others are out , lets praise the vast majority of the UK population for trying their best
If anyone though that during WW2 there was no black market for ration cards and criminals then well what can I say
This post was printed , with no outside movement , no car driving, no dog walking, no contact with the masses and a little bit of humor
 
I don't imagine Lord Sumption would be quite so eloquent if he were struggling for breath on a ventilator.
 
Daydream believer said:
If you are stopped by the police, do they not have the right to demand one's identity under the old stop and search laws. The report stated above suggests that she refused to tell police who she was. That in itself is a breach of the law, or is that not so?
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From the gov.uk website guide to Stop and Search:

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I can’t help but feel this debate will get as divisive as Brexit:

Stay At Home (Remainers) Vs Take Back Control / Vote Leave My Home (Brexiteers)
 
Ah well it would seem some common sense prevails and I gather on QT Hancock has said it is fine to go out for a walk having driven there - I didnt get around to watching - anyone able to confirm?

B and Q has re-opened for click and collect so everyone can drive there as well for a spot of DIY, the Garden Centres might re-open soon on a similiar basis to save millions of plants and businesses with them being binned - things we can now all do apparently with minimium risk.

(and dont worry, I am not advocating saving the plants, over saving lives!).

Keeping people happy and sane while looking after the NHS are as equally important. It would seem we can do both.

My issue is the next bit of madness - there was a hint they are looking at us all carrying health passports - those who have tested positive and those not. Wow - just wow. That working should be interesting.

I really do wonder whether some of these people live in a bubble and have no idea what goes on outside (and I DONT make that as a political comment, just the general calibre of the whole bunch of them).

"I can’t help but feel this debate will get as divisive as Brexit:

Stay At Home (Remainers) Vs Take Back Control / Vote Leave My Home (Brexiteers)"

It would seem not, because at least this is less than emotive, and more about the science, and scientist who are more likely to (eventually) get a grasp on how the science and how people's behaviour work.
 
Well I have caught up with Hancock on QT and a very clear statement that the key is self distancing from other people (as we all knew) so fine to drive and walk and presumably fine to drive and board AS LONG AS YOU CAN SELF DISTANCE. So that seems to me pretty clear and hopefully the end of silly notes asking people why they have parked a car in THEIR village - - - - PS you are welcome to my village ?
 
BTW I very much doubt the QHM has any legal basis and more importantly any scientific rational for doing any such thing. If you can get to your boat without getting near anyone you put no one else or yourself at risk. Hopefully you are way less likely to break down than driving to walk!
 
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