iangrant
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Visiting us on the boat she said - why arn't the windows on the right hand side called starboard holes?
Hmmmmmm.
Ian
Hmmmmmm.
Ian
A thought from my Sister in Law
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Phoenix of Hamble
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Umhh..... logical....... yet strangely disconcerting......
jerryat
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Praps it comes from gun-ports?? Interesting though.
Twister_Ken
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Chronology
Because the ship's principle ports (ie, entrances) were on the left side, whereas the steering oar was on the right side, hence port and steer board, Ships would alway moor port-side-to so that the steering oar wouldn't be damaged against dock and quaysides. Hence ports (holes in the ship, whether left or right) came before port (left side).
Because the ship's principle ports (ie, entrances) were on the left side, whereas the steering oar was on the right side, hence port and steer board, Ships would alway moor port-side-to so that the steering oar wouldn't be damaged against dock and quaysides. Hence ports (holes in the ship, whether left or right) came before port (left side).
Phoenix of Hamble
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Re: Chronology
and hence 'POSH'....... Port Out Starboard Home..... long after the need to berth port side too was gone, all the ports were still built so that the view of old blighty was on the port side on the way out and on the starboard side on the way home.... and hence the location of the best cabins....
and hence 'POSH'....... Port Out Starboard Home..... long after the need to berth port side too was gone, all the ports were still built so that the view of old blighty was on the port side on the way out and on the starboard side on the way home.... and hence the location of the best cabins....
iangrant
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Re: Chronology
Blimey - thanks chaps - I'll ring her tonight full of new found knowledge
cheers
Ian
Blimey - thanks chaps - I'll ring her tonight full of new found knowledge
cheers
Ian
cameronke
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Re: Chronology
I think it was because windows on boats are called portholes, so maybe she reckoned those on the starboard should be starboard holes
or am I being naive?
Cameron /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
I think it was because windows on boats are called portholes, so maybe she reckoned those on the starboard should be starboard holes
or am I being naive?
Cameron /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
JackFrobisher
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Re: Chronology
Hang on. I'm not following that at all. I thought port out starboard home related to the sunny side of the ship when crossing the Atlantic on a liner. Port side faces South when travelling West etc. If you are looking at Blighty when travelling West (out) along the Channel for example, you'd be facing North on the starboard side. Am I missing something there (which would not be unusual)?
Hang on. I'm not following that at all. I thought port out starboard home related to the sunny side of the ship when crossing the Atlantic on a liner. Port side faces South when travelling West etc. If you are looking at Blighty when travelling West (out) along the Channel for example, you'd be facing North on the starboard side. Am I missing something there (which would not be unusual)?
BobnLesley
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Re: Chronology
JackFrobisher comment - Correct basis but wrong destination. POSH referred to the East Indian run and Port out s/board home was a cooler shady-side cabin
JackFrobisher comment - Correct basis but wrong destination. POSH referred to the East Indian run and Port out s/board home was a cooler shady-side cabin
Steve Clayton
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Re: Chronology
Stuff all this chat about portholes!!!
Can you post a picture of your sis-in-law /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Stuff all this chat about portholes!!!
Can you post a picture of your sis-in-law /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
JackFrobisher
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Re: Chronology
Thanks. I live and learn. Well ... I live. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
(Wouldn't you still be travelling West in the Channel though...)
Thanks. I live and learn. Well ... I live. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
(Wouldn't you still be travelling West in the Channel though...)
imeche
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Re: Chronology
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Because the ship's principle ports (ie, entrances) were on the left side, whereas the steering oar was on the right side, hence port and steer board, Ships would alway moor port-side-to so that the steering oar wouldn't be damaged against dock and quaysides. Hence ports (holes in the ship, whether left or right) came before port (left side).
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I was told by a wise old man that the port side was originally called the larboard (from ladeboard or loading side) but they changed it 'cos sailors on the old sailing vessels, during a storm, couldn't hear the instruction on which way to set the sail or steer - larboard or starboard.
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Because the ship's principle ports (ie, entrances) were on the left side, whereas the steering oar was on the right side, hence port and steer board, Ships would alway moor port-side-to so that the steering oar wouldn't be damaged against dock and quaysides. Hence ports (holes in the ship, whether left or right) came before port (left side).
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I was told by a wise old man that the port side was originally called the larboard (from ladeboard or loading side) but they changed it 'cos sailors on the old sailing vessels, during a storm, couldn't hear the instruction on which way to set the sail or steer - larboard or starboard.
Norman_E
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Re: Chronology
The other way round. The word POSH was coined for travellers to India, who wanted to be on the cooler, north facing side of the ship. Pre air conditioning it must have been pretty unpleasant to have a cabin in an iron ship, on the side the sun shone on when crossing the Indian Ocean.
The other way round. The word POSH was coined for travellers to India, who wanted to be on the cooler, north facing side of the ship. Pre air conditioning it must have been pretty unpleasant to have a cabin in an iron ship, on the side the sun shone on when crossing the Indian Ocean.
Slow_boat
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Re: Chronology
Anyway, they're not port holes, they're scuttles.
Anyway, they're not port holes, they're scuttles.
Lakesailor
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This sister-in-law is not Australian is she?
RupertW
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Re: Chronology
Except, alas that derivation of POSH is now considered to be a myth (as recently discussed here, I think?)
http://www.wordorigins.org/wordorp.htm
Except, alas that derivation of POSH is now considered to be a myth (as recently discussed here, I think?)
http://www.wordorigins.org/wordorp.htm
Poignard
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I shouldn't ask her again, if I were you. Sounds like a troublemaker
tcm
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Re: Chronology
quite right, I reckon i could've made up that rubbish. Or of course, asked someone else to make it up for me ...
quite right, I reckon i could've made up that rubbish. Or of course, asked someone else to make it up for me ...
Goodge
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POSH
Although I have always known this definition it confuses me as to where it would originate from.
If you left from the south coast i.e Southampton then sail to New York then the land / south coast would be on the starboard side apart from the small trip down Southampton Water or is that what it refers to
The theory works from Liverpool though...
Although I have always known this definition it confuses me as to where it would originate from.
If you left from the south coast i.e Southampton then sail to New York then the land / south coast would be on the starboard side apart from the small trip down Southampton Water or is that what it refers to
The theory works from Liverpool though...
Lakesailor
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Re: POSH
It actually came into common usage when Victoria couldn't think of a title for herself when the other Spice Girls were all Sporty and Ginger and stuff.
They suggested it to her and it stands for "Putrid Old Shit Head"
It actually came into common usage when Victoria couldn't think of a title for herself when the other Spice Girls were all Sporty and Ginger and stuff.
They suggested it to her and it stands for "Putrid Old Shit Head"
