billskip
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Is this thread a training course for FIA?
think the Father may be right here in that the visa is effectively a 90 day extension only valid in the country of issue....Are we talking about residency or a long stay visaNot the same thing.
ean Although you hitch your submission to my post, it still remains a fact that long stay visas and residency are not the same thing!
Rather than relying on your memory, possibly you could provide a link that confirms your contention?
Do you have any skin in this discussion, which is extremely important to some or is yours just esoteric interest???
ean Although you hitch your submission to my post, it still remains a fact that long stay visas and residency are not the same thing!
Rather than relying on your memory, possibly you could provide a link that confirms your contention?
Do you have any skin in this discussion, which is extremely important to some or is yours just esoteric interest???
And yet more gobbledegook from the authorities. Just what exactly does this mean?
It states that as holder of a residency in one schengen country you are allowed to travel to other schengen countries. It says it is the equivalent of a visa for those countries. So as long as you have residency, you have a visa. So would you be subjected to the 90 day rule in those other countries or not.
I know what I think is the case but these sort of statements do nothing to help anyone and just create more confusion.
This is an important point for clarification because if true, then a "cruiser" can have residency in any one schengen state and then travel freely without limit under "the visa" to all the others. Not what we've been led to believe.
" If your visa is from a Schengen area country, it automatically allows you to travel to the other Schengen countries as well. If you have a valid residence permit from one of those Schengen countries, it is equivalent to a visa."
I think nobody is allowed a stay in another country, ie. Dutch into France or Spanish into Portugal etc, legally for more than 90 days without notificationto the gov, its just that they have no way of checking.I take your point, in terms of visa I think they are referring to a Schengen visa but it is not clear nor is the sense of only being limited to 90 days in other countries.
What is clear is that those with a residence permit are automatically allowed entry into Schengen countries but for how long, is the question I suspect it will be for 90 days. I have just found this "
Can I travel to Spain with EU residence permit?
"Foreigners holding a valid residence permit or a long-term visa issued by another Schengen State may travel through the territory of the other Schengen States for a maximum of 90 days within any 180-day period, provided that they are in possession of a valid passport or travel document, that they justify the purpose ..."
The question for long term (6 month) visas is different but perhaps not my view in light of the above is that it would be the same limited to 90 days in the Schengen countries outside of the visa issuing country.
Didn’t ask a question. Just made a statement. visas and residency are not the same thing.Err.......I didn't 'hitch' my post, I was answering your question by the simple expedient of underlining and emboldening the word visa. I'm not really sure why you didn't / couldn't see that originally. I'm not really sure what having 'skin' in the discussion requires or entails either, nor for that matter why it should matter either! But hey ho!
What is clear is that those with a residence permit are automatically allowed entry into Schengen countries but for how long, is the question I suspect it will be for 90 days. I have just found this "
Can I travel to Spain with EU residence permit?
"Foreigners holding a valid residence permit or a long-term visa issued by another Schengen State may travel through the territory of the other Schengen States for a maximum of 90 days within any 180-day period, provided that they are in possession of a valid passport or travel document, that they justify the purpose ..."
The question for long term (6 month) visas is different but perhaps not my view in light of the above is that it would be the same limited to 90 days in the Schengen countries outside of the visa issuing country.
Yes they can?Didn’t ask a question. Just made a statement. visas and residency are not the same thing.
My bit about your interest. Threads in Liveaboard Link can often be divided into 2 groups. Those who have a significant interest in an issue and those trying to provide validated answers and those who have no interest but just want a discussion on possibilities. Unfortunately these discussions can confuse and divert the thread off course.???
Oh! Sorry, must be my poor upbringing but I was always led to believe that that odd shape you posted just to the right of the word 'visa' served to end the sentence and make a question of it.....but hey ho, going forward, your identifying 3 groups that commonly take part in liveaboard threads and your ( now our) discussion of them certainly has diverted the thread........but again.....hey ho!Didn’t ask a question. Just made a statement. visas and residency are not the same thing.
My bit about your interest. Threads in Liveaboard Link can often be divided into 2 groups. Those who have a significant interest in an issue and those trying to provide validated answers and those who have no interest but just want a discussion on possibilities. Unfortunately these discussions can confuse and divert the thread off course.???
Only you can comment on your up bringing.?Oh! Sorry, must be my poor upbringing but I was always led to believe that that odd shape you posted just to the right of the word 'visa' served to end the sentence and make a question of it.....but hey ho, going forward, your identifying 3 groups that commonly take part in liveaboard threads and your ( now our) discussion of them certainly has diverted the thread........but again.....hey ho!
That's always been the caseI think nobody is allowed a stay in another country, ie. Dutch into France or Spanish into Portugal etc, legally for more than 90 days without notificationto the gov, its just that they have no way of checking.
Yep, always been the case and in Portugal failing to notify the camara could attract a €1,500 fine.That's always been the case
Yes for as long as I remember...That's always been the case
Only you can comment on your up bringing.?
Listen carefully, I will say this only once. If you look back at my #571, I questioned were we discussing residency or long term visasI then asserted - they are not the same thing. Your #582 was just a series of unsubstantiated thoughts. Hence my comments on ‘skin’.
And similarly a lot of people who know the rules/laws and choosing to break them. The lady complaining about the law being applied will probably not be the only one.If I can just go back to the statement some have made here regarding there no excuse for people not knowing the rules and my posting,
that not necessarily the case and many don't or at the very less confused.
Posting #588 that bill skip posted is a good example,
To this day there many who would argue that free movement allowed you to stay in any EU country as an European without need to register after 3months.
And that's just one example from many .
Don't you think that's entirely up to them the same way some don't want to vaccinated .And similarly a lot of people who know the rules/laws and choosing to break them. The lady complaining about the law being applied will probably not be the only one.