Das_Boot
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Anyone out there fit the description. PM me if available.
1st 2nd mate dredging
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mainshiptom
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I do a lot of dredging in our creek since it is full of Mud ! Swmbo brings down cups of tea, would that make her 2nd mate?
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trev
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I guess if you can't find anyone it means a cheapskate outfit who are paying less than bus driver's rates.
What are you offering ? If it's aroung $500 per day I may know someone interested in a short term job, but he won't come for peanuts.
What are you offering ? If it's aroung $500 per day I may know someone interested in a short term job, but he won't come for peanuts.
Das_Boot
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I am just trying to find someone on the cheap. For $500 pd I will find an astronaut. By the way I said dredging not rocket scientist
trev
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500 dollars a day for twelve hours a day is only about £25 an hour, and that includes all leave pay etc. Where I work that is regarded as rock bottom rates.
No wonder the industry is being inundated with cheap imported labour with dubious qualifications.
No wonder the industry is being inundated with cheap imported labour with dubious qualifications.
derekh
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no wonder mg rover and uk manufacture is gone if employees expect £25 per hour
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trev
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Work it out ! A twelve hour day for $500 is a bargain - your getting a qualified marine officer here !
Eight hours at straight time and four at time and a half, and its cheap. He's also there for 24 hrs/seven days, and available for any other duties and safety requirements. Comes out at round 18 quid at normal time.
I work in the Arabian Gulf and $500 per day is the base rate for any European officer of any standing.- Personally I wouldn't get out of bed for it.
Eight hours at straight time and four at time and a half, and its cheap. He's also there for 24 hrs/seven days, and available for any other duties and safety requirements. Comes out at round 18 quid at normal time.
I work in the Arabian Gulf and $500 per day is the base rate for any European officer of any standing.- Personally I wouldn't get out of bed for it.
landaftaf
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and that seems to be than than ...... no more posts {positions) offered .... deathly hush heard
you are correct - cheap labour has undermined the uk merchant officer
you are correct - cheap labour has undermined the uk merchant officer
Das_Boot
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The rate is realy dependent on the size of the crew. On a small hopper dredger you might only have 4 crew. Master mate engineer and pipe operator. They work inshore. I think comparing apples with chicken is a stupid thing to do.
landaftaf
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dont know where you got apples and chickens from - perhaps you could explain, and your use of the word stupid ......... if you had said peanuts then it would link nicely to :-
the problem with paying peanuts is you get monkies.
sadly this approach of paying peanuts seems to satisfy many uk marine employers nowadays, which has led to the collapse of our maritime industry. it is now accepted that the m.n. as an industry is beyond recovery. although it is a shame for us - an island nation, not many ppl even appreciate the fact as there are always others to do the job for less.
however these 'others' are not like 'foreign ppl' driving our london busses - they pass a uk passenger driving test - its foreign ppl driving and manning vessels on our shores with foreigh certs (worthless pieces of paper endorsed with 'cert of equivilance' as a sop from government to short sighted uk ship operators who cant get properly qualified ppl to work for peanuts ...... yup back to them again
its not your fault of course - your job is to find the monkeys .... and not to train or feed them.
anyway - nice to air this old chestnut - peanut - hope you can reply without reverting to words like stupid etc .......
the problem with paying peanuts is you get monkies.
sadly this approach of paying peanuts seems to satisfy many uk marine employers nowadays, which has led to the collapse of our maritime industry. it is now accepted that the m.n. as an industry is beyond recovery. although it is a shame for us - an island nation, not many ppl even appreciate the fact as there are always others to do the job for less.
however these 'others' are not like 'foreign ppl' driving our london busses - they pass a uk passenger driving test - its foreign ppl driving and manning vessels on our shores with foreigh certs (worthless pieces of paper endorsed with 'cert of equivilance' as a sop from government to short sighted uk ship operators who cant get properly qualified ppl to work for peanuts ...... yup back to them again
its not your fault of course - your job is to find the monkeys .... and not to train or feed them.
anyway - nice to air this old chestnut - peanut - hope you can reply without reverting to words like stupid etc .......
Das_Boot
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I was not calling anyone stupid just the comparison. The MN and dredging are also two different things. I also dont remember ever having given the rate of pay. It was another contributer who jumped to conclusions.
As you say we dont set the rate of pay it is done by the companys. If the guy was Master on the Marco Polo (cutter suction dredger) for instance he could expect in excess of $500 a day in fact he could expect closer to £500 a day. This job however was for a small coastal dredger and the rate would be arround £150 to £170 per day.
As you say we dont set the rate of pay it is done by the companys. If the guy was Master on the Marco Polo (cutter suction dredger) for instance he could expect in excess of $500 a day in fact he could expect closer to £500 a day. This job however was for a small coastal dredger and the rate would be arround £150 to £170 per day.
0711
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Hello Fello Seafarers
Being new to this forum, and having trawled through, I came upon this old, but interesting topic.
Please allow me to please say a little about myself, before I comment.
Having being brought up, in a small, but comercial port, and fishing on my farthers boat (since I could walk), and serving many years serving on the local lifeboat, begining young, on the shore crew, then joining the boats crew at 17 (with written parents permission). I passed many R.N.L.I. courses such as: radar, navigation, first aid, vhf/mf radio and so on. While I was at school, I worked at a small shipping company, helping to load/unload the freight, (containers, pallets, slinging ect). I also passed rya day skipper (basic navigation), and worked as a boatman/pilot boat skipper and on a local tug as deck hand/engineer, towing boats, dreding/barges ect about.
My job now, as a firefighter, we have a 7mtr fast resuce boat. I would like to state, that of all the men on the station, which crew the boat, I think I'm looked upon as "if we have to go to sea, I want to go with Pedro!!". The level of the other instructors seamanship, has been earned through reading books and having the good skills of "passing exams", rather than having actual 'hands on experiance'. We have in-house instructors, who in the past, their jobs have been, car sprayers, window cleaners ect who are now instructing, with "NO TIME UNDER THEIR BELT"!! if thats the right saying??
So, I consider myself a fairly good seaman, with a reasonably good maritime background.
I DONT WANT THIS TO BE SEEN, AS BLOWING MY OWN TRUMPET!!!!
But I left school, with sod all. No gcse's, ect. I was the class ARSEHOLE, who soon learned that its a big world out there, and grew up quick. But I know, that being a seaman, was in my blood.
Upon, applying to local shipping companys, like most are on the hunt for cheap labour. They didnt tell me that, but to look at the crew, that said enough.
I think if I were an employer, I'd sooner an employee, who could at least speak basic English, somebody keen, and with a marine background/interest, and pay a reasonable wage, rather than a flip flop, working for next to nothing, wanting to get into the country. This is not a rasist attack either!!.
I'd still consider leaving my career to goto sea, even now.
Im sorry to droan on, but I felt I wanted to say my bit.
Very many thanks for my space to air my views.
Pedro.
Being new to this forum, and having trawled through, I came upon this old, but interesting topic.
Please allow me to please say a little about myself, before I comment.
Having being brought up, in a small, but comercial port, and fishing on my farthers boat (since I could walk), and serving many years serving on the local lifeboat, begining young, on the shore crew, then joining the boats crew at 17 (with written parents permission). I passed many R.N.L.I. courses such as: radar, navigation, first aid, vhf/mf radio and so on. While I was at school, I worked at a small shipping company, helping to load/unload the freight, (containers, pallets, slinging ect). I also passed rya day skipper (basic navigation), and worked as a boatman/pilot boat skipper and on a local tug as deck hand/engineer, towing boats, dreding/barges ect about.
My job now, as a firefighter, we have a 7mtr fast resuce boat. I would like to state, that of all the men on the station, which crew the boat, I think I'm looked upon as "if we have to go to sea, I want to go with Pedro!!". The level of the other instructors seamanship, has been earned through reading books and having the good skills of "passing exams", rather than having actual 'hands on experiance'. We have in-house instructors, who in the past, their jobs have been, car sprayers, window cleaners ect who are now instructing, with "NO TIME UNDER THEIR BELT"!! if thats the right saying??
So, I consider myself a fairly good seaman, with a reasonably good maritime background.
I DONT WANT THIS TO BE SEEN, AS BLOWING MY OWN TRUMPET!!!!
But I left school, with sod all. No gcse's, ect. I was the class ARSEHOLE, who soon learned that its a big world out there, and grew up quick. But I know, that being a seaman, was in my blood.
Upon, applying to local shipping companys, like most are on the hunt for cheap labour. They didnt tell me that, but to look at the crew, that said enough.
I think if I were an employer, I'd sooner an employee, who could at least speak basic English, somebody keen, and with a marine background/interest, and pay a reasonable wage, rather than a flip flop, working for next to nothing, wanting to get into the country. This is not a rasist attack either!!.
I'd still consider leaving my career to goto sea, even now.
Im sorry to droan on, but I felt I wanted to say my bit.
Very many thanks for my space to air my views.
Pedro.