pvb
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Shome mishtake, shurely?
Oh, it'll probably be refuted by someone.
YM test of GT35
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Oh, it'll probably be refuted by someone.
pvb
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Very true!
Tempus
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I think there is some selective reading of my post on csm here. My principal point, which seems to be getting lost is that there is no automatic correlation between weight and quality as adding more heavy stuff in yacht construction is cheap. All boat builders use a mixture of directional matting with other processes, I know that. In the past I have seen films of Bavaria amongst others using large amounts of sprayed in csm and looking at the inside of some of their admittedly older, second hand boats you can see this. If they no longer do this then I stand corrected.
JumbleDuck
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Glass fibres are fine in compression as long as you stop them from buckling, which is another function of the resin. It's not quite the same as reinforced concrete, where steel takes the tensile loads (and the concrete round it may well crack) and bulk concrete takes the compressive loads. Don't forget as well that glass has a Young's Modulus around twenty times as high as that of epoxy resin.
I agree that the resin will take some of the loads ... just not very much.
Incidentally, I spent a happy year or two of my early "career" (using the term loosely) developing a standardised test for the interface bond strength in composites. OK, it was copper/epoxy rather than glass/epoxy, but the principles are the same!
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Tranona
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Sprayed on CSM has not been used for many years - would not pass H&S for one thing. Having worked for a builder that used that technique in the 1970s and 80s I can understand why!
You are right that weight does not equal quality. You only have to look at some of the revered older so called "quality" boats to see that, when indeed weight often indicated indiscriminate use of cheap materials because the designs depended on weight to keep them upright.
All builders of any consequence for the last 20 years or so have used increasingly sophisticated lay ups for hulls and decks and designing structures rather than making a vaguely boat shaped mould and pouring materials in. So we end up with lighter, stronger hulls that are less prone to osmosis related problems.
Chi34
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Someone with an unlimited budget looking for a 35ft'er must prefer a boat of this size to something longer - Because it's easier to handle, perhaps.
I'm not sure, then, why they would choose a max-volume, max-freeboard design.
I'm not sure, then, why they would choose a max-volume, max-freeboard design.
Tempus
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Back to the original thread...
Interesting article in the new edition of Yachting World
3 New 36ish foot boats from the drawing board of Stephen Jones
Rustler 37 - Very Traditional, looks like it will be a hit with many on here - but £262,500 ex VAT
Southerly 36 - Raised Saloon, modern looks, twin rudder and lift keel - £235,000 ex VAT
GT 35 - Discussed to death above - £241,250
Interesting similarity in, very premium, pricing, bur rather gives the lie to those suggesting that a cheaper alternative to the GT35 would be to ask Rustler to knock out a new Starlight.
Interesting article in the new edition of Yachting World
3 New 36ish foot boats from the drawing board of Stephen Jones
Rustler 37 - Very Traditional, looks like it will be a hit with many on here - but £262,500 ex VAT
Southerly 36 - Raised Saloon, modern looks, twin rudder and lift keel - £235,000 ex VAT
GT 35 - Discussed to death above - £241,250
Interesting similarity in, very premium, pricing, bur rather gives the lie to those suggesting that a cheaper alternative to the GT35 would be to ask Rustler to knock out a new Starlight.
westhinder
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Actually Rustler did announce a new Starlight 37 designed by Stephen Jones a few years ago. As far as I know it was never built, they only had the drawings on their website for some time.
It is not clear to me whether the new Rustler is just a reworking of the Starlight drawings or a different boat altogether.
Mr. Jones does know how to design a goodlooking, seaworthy and fast boat, it would be interesting to see the three designs mentioned above tested alongside one another. YM, perhaps?
JumbleDuck
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Tempus
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Looking at the designs and detailed descriptions in Yachting World it's clear that it's a totally new boat, drawn from scratch to a new brief by Mr Jones. More an update for a Rustler 36 than a reworked Starlight.
pic here:
http://www.rustleryachts.com/37-drawings.php
Twister_Ken
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Of the three, the Rustler and the Southerly are differentiated from the crowd, and so give you an obvious reason to consider buying them if they met your criteria. Sadly, the GT doesn't seem to have any compelling distinguishing characteristic that asks to be added to a shortlist.
roblpm
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So which one should I buy in 13 years when I sell my business. Can you expand on the pros and cons of each one?? Beyond the obvious lifting keel/long keel.
What slightly concerns me is that they are so expensive that no-one will buy any of them so there won't be any second hand ones in 10 years??!!
Tempus
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If you want to ford oceans in total confidence and don't care about price - but also don't want a bigger boat for the money then buy the Rustler,
If you fancy a boat which will sail quickly, light and airy deck saloon and the ability to explore shallow areas and dry out then the Southerly.
If you just want solid then the GT35
I wouldn't bank on their being many around in 10 years though.
snooks
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If I remember correctly the Southerly 36 doesn't have a deck saloon I.e. A raised saloon you can sit in and look out of the coachroof windows. But I'd have to check my Email to be sure.
Tempus
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You may be right, I read their website blurb as: "The new Southerly 36, designed by Stephen Jones, reflects many of the desired features of the popular Southerly 110, with panoramic views from the interior" as meaning that at the veery least it would have a raised nav station (as per 110) and could have a raised saloon looking at the drawings, but your press release may be more detailed.
Habebty
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The Penny Has Just Dropped
If I were feeling flush, then I would buy one like a shot.
The reason being is - I own a Sadler 290, and this looks like a scaled up fin keel version. It will go like stink in a blow and be very strong, and very safe.
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In fact, if Rampart yachts had been a little more enduring, I would have bought their proposed SJ designed Sadler 340 which the GT35 looks very similar to.
SJ came out on my commissioning trip with my 290 - hull number 3 and he is a very clever chap. This boat will sail well, and it will do this in far more satisfying way than anything Swedish.
Full marks to GT for picking up the baton, but can we have a more affordable version please.
If I were feeling flush, then I would buy one like a shot.
The reason being is - I own a Sadler 290, and this looks like a scaled up fin keel version. It will go like stink in a blow and be very strong, and very safe.
In fact, if Rampart yachts had been a little more enduring, I would have bought their proposed SJ designed Sadler 340 which the GT35 looks very similar to.
SJ came out on my commissioning trip with my 290 - hull number 3 and he is a very clever chap. This boat will sail well, and it will do this in far more satisfying way than anything Swedish.
Full marks to GT for picking up the baton, but can we have a more affordable version please.
sailorman
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If I were feeling flush, then I would buy one like a shot.
The reason being is - I own a Sadler 290, and this looks like a scaled up fin keel version. It will go like stink in a blow and be very strong, and very safe.
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In fact, if Rampart yachts had been a little more enduring, I would have bought their proposed SJ designed Sadler 340 which the GT35 looks very similar to.
SJ came out on my commissioning trip with my 290 - hull number 3 and he is a very clever chap. This boat will sail well, and it will do this in far more satisfying way than anything Swedish.
Full marks to GT for picking up the baton, but can we have a more affordable version please.
That bottom photo is very very good :encouragement:
JumbleDuck
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Light switches and little plastic clips for the cushions! Don't forget the light switches and little plastic clips for the cushions!
rogerball0
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Just got me copy of pbo and its been tested there too.
snooks
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Ah, but Yachting Monthly came out first :0)
