YM s Second Hand Boat Guide

[scarlett]

Does anyone else think the second hand boat guide in YM is very good? And does anyone else think the excellent author ought to be starting on the 'stop press addendum' of all the boats that have gone out of production over the long years that the series has taken to produce?

Forth Bridge and all that.



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[AndrewB]

Yeah, I'm a fan. A really handy crib when someone mentions they have a particular yacht, as if they expect everyone to know. Amazing amount of information. I've looked for a good book on this for years, there's never been a guide with that amount of detail. Good stuff, JJ.

It started in March 2001 so there's nothing new that matters except interminable variations on indistinguishable Beneteau's/Bavarias. ;-)

 

[jamesjermain]

Good Grief

I'm not used to this - kind words on Scuttlebutt. I keep looking for the irony.

But seriously, thank you.

I'll take this moment of euphoria to apologise to Stag owners whose boats I may have undervalued in the last issue. I'm revisiting this at the moment.

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[Metabarca]

but no Standfast in the latest issue. Shame, I was looking forward to it as it's a boat I know well. Too few built?

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[Magic_Sailor]

How about

owners of Jeannau Fantasias who feel a little hard done by? /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

Magic

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[AndrewB]

Actually mine's not there either, a Roberts 38. Couple of hundred built, thought it might have crept in - I'll have to make do with the big splurge they had on one in the April 2001 YM. Clearly the series is built on JJ's reviewing experience - good to see its actually come in useful!

 

[Twister_Ken]

We're begining to get close to the Twister. I hope JJ renewed his life insurance, just in case.

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[jamesjermain]

Fantasia

Text from August 02, p98

Fantasia 27
In production during the mid-eighties, the Fantasia was a Harle design, which offered six berths in an open plan saloon and after cabin. Headroom is limited, particularly forward of the raised deck saloon. The design was regarded as advanced in her day but the fit-out was very simple and lacking in stowage. The chart table was large for a yacht best suited to local or coastal cruising. The rig is modest and easily handled but the hull, offered with fixed or lifting keel, is fine and easily driven, so she had reasonable performance.
LOA 27ft 2in (8.30m), LWL 21ft 6in (6.56m), beam 9ft 5in (2.88m), draught 2ft 7in to 4ft 11in (0.80m to 1.50m), displacement 5,291 lb (2,400kg). Price guide: £10,000 to £19,000


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[jamesjermain]

Due in the February issue - published during the boat show, so you can all come and assault me on the stand - Guinness, that is.

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[Birdseye]

You didnt really use the expression "old banger" did you? /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

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[tome]

Re: Stags

James, such modesty!

It must be seriously difficult to put a value on a boat where only 40 were made and which are rarely on the open market. I sent you a PM on this subject as I had sold one last year. There is a Stag owners club at <A target="_blank" HREF=http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stag28/> Stag owners </A>, but the cheapest I heard of one being sold is 16k and most (including ours) sell for around 20k. There was also mention of a shoal keel version - there was only ever a lifting or fixed keel version made with about 20 of each.

Regards
Tom

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[Magic_Sailor]

Re: Fantasia

Hi James.

Yes, that's the text I had in mind when I posted (half in humour!)

Actually, my experience of it is that it's partially incorrect.

We lived on board all summer and stowage for all our clothes, food and drink simply wasn't an issue - there's so much of it. Compared to other "live aboard" cruisers that most people seem to suggest, not only has she got more space (stowage and living) but, far from the fit-out being simple, it is very good and of a higher standard. I know you mention the aft cabin - but it is in fact a comfortable double berth - which I have yet to see in any "live aboard" cruiser under 30'.

I'm not altogether sure I agree with the "best suited to local or coastal cruising". No, she's maybe not an ocean crosser but we did get caught up in some pretty rough weather and she dealt with it just fine.

By live aboard cruiser I mean Westerlies, Vancouvers etc.

Incidentally, I too think the A - Z series is good - I just felt that this particular text was a little dismissive.

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[Godwinpaul]

Re: Fantasia

Thanks for your reply which I have taken some time to respond to!

So you think I should find the Fantasia moderately fast? It would not be a disappointment as far as speed is concerned. Would you confirm last statement?

Thanks.

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[Godwinpaul]

Re: Fantasia

Hello! Sorry for not responding earlier.

I have read most of your cruising experiences onboard the Magicienne. You are very adventurous.

Just one question. From your experience of the boat, where there instances where the boat disappointed you compared to other boats as regards speed and performance?

Thanks


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[Heckler]

rather a nice shiny bene with internal head lining mouldings that dont droop than a nice diesel/salt water smelling old fashioned distinguishable !
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[StephenW]

Hello James - any idea whether the Sadler 32 is included. I have looked around and there seem to be few reviews of the boat despite its well established reputation for seaworthiness.

Also seems to be a lack of info such as the GZ curves YM shows for yacht stability...pity they don't continue to show the comparison wiht a Contessa notwithstanding the fact its not "typical" of modern production yachts.

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[StephenW]

Hello James - any idea whether the Sadler 32 is included. I have looked around and there seem to be few reviews of the boat despite its well established reputation for seaworthiness.

Also seems to be a lack of info such as the GZ curves YM shows for yacht stability...pity they don't continue to show the comparison wiht a Contessa notwithstanding the fact its not "typical" of modern production yachts.

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