Yell Sound, The Shetland Bus, Sea Lice, Curlews and Bikinis

you shamed me into making a contribution!

Shetland does look dismal. Somehow all of Scotland seems to look pretty but dreary at the same time.
 
dylanwinter said:
what you say is interesting

There are about 4,000 people who watch most of my films most of the way through to the end in the first two weeks they are up

- this is a tiny audience

98.5 per cent of them have never chipped in.
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is it possible to give a film away for free and then some-how persuade slightly more than 1.5 per cent of them to chip in
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Is there a reason why you are linking to the Youtube films when you post them here rather than to the page on the KTL site? The pages on the KTL site have the Paypal taps links, but Youtube only has the text or commentary in the film (there may be links in the description, but I rarely expand that section to read about the video I have just watched!).
 
smert said:
Is there a reason why you are linking to the Youtube films when you post them here rather than to the page on the KTL site? The pages on the KTL site have the Paypal taps links, but Youtube only has the text or commentary in the film (there may be links in the description, but I rarely expand that section to read about the video I have just watched!).
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linking to a page with a paypal button on it seems a bit cheeky

I do not want to get sanctioned on here - I have already had one warning for posting the pix of the centaur
 
Interesting about this copyright business i have hardly any hits compared to dylan but no way would i let others take the monytization from my vids on youtube! there is loads of good music that is copyright free even the ones you can download from youtube are ok so recut all your vids that someone is steeling
the monytization from and you'll have more money!
i was shocked to see someone was steeling monytisation off some of my vids and it was because i had the radio on in the background and so a song comes on...they have bots that scan the audio!
so the ones affected im recuting the music out! So why not do the same Dylan?
 
Niander said:
Interesting about this copyright business i have hardly any hits compared to dylan but no way would i let others take the monytization from my vids on youtube! there is loads of good music that is copyright free even the ones you can download from youtube are ok so recut all your vids that someone is steeling
the monytization from and you'll have more money!
i was shocked to see someone was steeling monytisation off some of my vids and it was because i had the radio on in the background and so a song comes on...they have bots that scan the audio!
so the ones affected im recuting the music out! So why not do the same Dylan?
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I had permission for some of the music I was using in the early days

youtube seized it anyway saying the music belonged to them, sony and time warner.

You then enter a process where you spend a month arguing with a computer - eventually you get to a human who replies within ten days only to ask a bonkers question to which you send a reply and they then wait another ten days before asking another bonkers question.

Then you have to prove that google/sony/time warner do not own the music. All this for $3 a thousand hits. So on an average KTL film with 12,000 views you have to do all that work for $36.

You can disable the adverts on the films - but then the google algorithm stops offering the films in the column down the right hand side and the films die.

I have spent a lot of years dancing around the google algorithms and trying to guess what they are doing now and what they will be doing tomorrow.

I count my blessings that I have got this far. Eight years in and I have had a brilliant time. I still have the energy, fitness and enhtusiasm to continue..... although having to sell the boat is a bit of set back I must admit

Will I manage to get things back on budget....... I think on balance the girls in bikinis will continue to dominate the market for sailing films

Dylan
 
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Dylan, I'm a bit late to this party but please don't give up.

I'm with you in this, I'm a freelance photographer that has watched the price per image fall through the floor in the digital age. Everyone wants images, no one wants to pay.

That said, you have a brand. You might not be activating it to the best of its potential but it's strong and has a following. It's worth fighting for.

Embrace the digital age. Instagram, Facebook and Tweet the hell out of everything. Sort out a Patreon account and a crowdfunder page. This promotion costs nothing but time, and the benefits might be huge.

I like your films but please shoot more sailing, I feel that you maybe concentrate too much on tourist stuff. I like sailing, and I'm sure most sailors do too! Drone stuff looks great from boats, scenery looks incredible from the sky, and drones can be bought so cheaply now.

But please don't give up....unless you fancy passing the brand my way! ?
 
If a consortium was to be formed to buy Lily M for £8000 I'd buy 1/32nd. Maybe for 1 day sailing with Dylan? I would love to see KTL continue.
 
Iminei said:
If a consortium was to be formed to buy Lily M for £8000 I'd buy 1/32nd. Maybe for 1 day sailing with Dylan? I would love to see KTL continue.
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that is very kind of you but the problem is cash flow not assets, The films are being more widely viewed but have not been earning enough for the diesel for the car and the yearly mooring and pontoon fees.

having said quite a few of the former youtube freeloaders have realised that the boat is going and have started chipping in for all the film they have watched. Very weird. I think they thought that I was calling wolf until they realised that the boat is being sold and they stand the risk of only having an endless stream of bikini sailors on their 50 inchers.

there ia classic one here

http://www.keepturningleft.co.uk/sailing-around-britain/penobscot-boatbuilders-email/

If I can earn 2K a film - about a third of the money the click bait bikini girls get oer week, then I can continue to make films.

If not then people can watch "all is lost" on a loup

D
 
As a bloke between 50 and 70 it's becoming increasingly difficult to accept that the world is already in the hands of the younger generations, bikini clad or otherwise.

My post was serious and based on the assumption that the £8K cash would flow to you and exclusive use of Lily M would remain with you. Which surely would alleviate cash flow problems in the short term?

Your films are inspirational.
 
Iminei said:
As a bloke between 50 and 70 it's becoming increasingly difficult to accept that the world is already in the hands of the younger generations, bikini clad or otherwise.

My post was serious and based on the assumption that the £8K cash would flow to you and exclusive use of Lily M would remain with you. Which surely would alleviate cash flow problems in the short term?

Your films are inspirational.
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Thanks for saying that

I cannot pretend that selling the boat is not a significant set back but on the bright side I have enough material for around 12 films covering the journey down the West coast of Scotland with films covering the West Coast of Shetland including Scalloway, the rough nightime crossing of the Pentland Firth,down to Loch Eribol, around Cape Wrath which was a pussycat that day, down the North Minch to the Summer Isles, to the amazing Handa,Loch Drambuie, Salen, Tobermory, the sound of Mull, CorryVrekan, Craobh, through the Crinan canal and the Clyde to Glasgow - and a few more places along the way.

but even if 8k walked in through the door I would bump into the same problem again half way through the following year - assuming you value the three weeks desk editing time each film takes as zero

Most films get around 12,000 views - I have 12 chances to train some of those youtubers to chip in.

The youtubers are beginning to realise that the boat is going and a few are being more pro-active - especially the americans - brits are not great online givers. . To be sustainable I need to earn £2K per film. The last one hour film that took me a month to edit earned $600. whichis about a third of what the lovely breast sailors earn for for 18 minutes of waving their tush at a go pro

one more bump in the road

D
 
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I hate to say it Dylan, but it sounds very much like you've given up already. I sincerely hope that's not the case.
 
Iminei said:
If a consortium was to be formed to buy Lily M for £8000 I'd buy 1/32nd. Maybe for 1 day sailing with Dylan? I would love to see KTL continue.
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According to my rather poor arithmetic 1/32 x 8000 = 250. Its legal to sell up to 64 shares in a ship. So two each for 250.
I am in.
If you can come up with another 30 old mugs.
Admittedly I have only been tapping at a buck per short film I down load to watch. and I have not watched the Shetland on yet.
But I enjoy them when I do. So 250 for 2/64 share is on offer.

One would presume share holders might chip in a proportionally for annual moorage on their asset.

PS I am thinking of visiting Scotland in September. I would love to go sailing for a day with an old bloke in a yellow bikini.:)
 
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James W said:
I hate to say it Dylan, but it sounds very much like you've given up already. I sincerely hope that's not the case.
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I cannot pretend that selling the boat is not a set back... but it is not over until the fat person sings. It does not look good at the moment as I have no boat suitable for the outer hebrides, Isla, Jura, Fingals cave, Skye.= and around the outside of Ireland and there is no obvious way of acquiring one.

I have loads of energy, I am fit, I love the hard sailing - I want to get to see and film scotland and ireland. I know that in a few years time I will not be fit enough for the hearty stuff so I am in a rush to sail and film as much as I can.

I am a pretty good film maker and I am reasonably certain that my half hour long crafted films are better made than the 250,000 hit $7,000 a week 18 minute tit show sailing films where a nice girl waves her booty at a go pro on youtube while sailing in a nice place and going to nice bars close to nice beaches. For all the sense of place the films have they might as well be sailing a soap bubble around a washing up bowl. Brilliant technology used to churn out sexy tosh.

More people than ever are watching my good quality films - but fewer people are chipping in towards the costs of making them. Google, Sony and Time warner have made good money from this venture. Like cuckoos in the nest they have inserted themselves between the man who makes the films and the men who watch them. Pictures and words are now free - see the bit from time warner on the right about an old bloke selling his shit box.

I am struggling to find a mechanism for earning money from the films now that DVDs are dead and everything is free. Waving the tin buskers cup is humiliating, really humiliating, and only partly works.

There is one bloke on another forum who designs multi-million dollar yachts. He had often posted what great films I make and said how many he had watched. Then when some of the blokes on cruising anarchy discovered that I had run out of money they started chipping in. He eventually cracked and then bragged on the forum that he had helped me along the way.

he sent £1 of which 41 pence of that went to paypal.

I guess it was good that it was not $1.

I have been sailing and making films on thin air for the past two years hoping that once people could see the films on their big tellies they would chip in

they didn't. They don't.

this is a fairly standard email I have received since news that filming has stopped started to spread across the sailing web

Hello, Dylan. I’m a boatbuilder and sailor here on Penobscot Bay on the coast of Maine, USA. My wife and I have finally gotten some money set aside as a thank you for all the great videos you’ve made and shared. They’ve helped us through the winter months while all the moorings are bare and the docks are stacked ashore. Coming here to send it, what do I find on your site but a note that you are selling the Centaur!? Too late have we ceased our freeloading! We’re no stranger to that hard math, though, so regardless of whether or not more videos are in the cards, let me just say a heartfelt thanks for all the joy you’ve shared with us and wish you fair winds for whatever may come next.

the problem is not the forum sailors -

I have been dancing with the google algorithms for the past eight years. The google computers have beaten me at every turn.

I have 12 more films to make.... 12 more chances to persuade about five per cent of 6,000 loyal(ish) youtube viewers with long pockets to chip in. Can I do it? It has never been achieved before. A five per cent response would be unheard of.

I will spend this next year at the editing desk trying to make those last 12 films as good as I can and the reminders in the middle of the films as persuasive, witty and clever as I can

After that lads, unless I can average £2K per film made thrown into by buskers cup then it is just the tit sailors left on youtube and the riddle of the sands/all is lost on a loop.




 
Ok,

I don't want to see and end to LTL- we spent long dark winter nights enjoying watching the DVDs but got slack about contributing to the You choob vids so from now on we will pay per view. By PayPal.

Every time we watch one we'll comment then pay.

Ive just chipped in on PayPal for the excellent Shetland film. Looking forward to the west coast!
 
dylanwinter said:
There is one bloke on another forum who designs multi-million dollar yachts. He had often posted what great films I make and said how many he had watched. Then when some of the blokes on cruising anarchy discovered that I had run out of money they started chipping in. He eventually cracked and then bragged on the forum that he had helped me along the way.

he sent £1 of which 41 pence of that went to paypal.

I guess it was good that it was not $1.
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Well, he donated £1 more than I did :rolleyes: - so don't knock it.

Good luck for the future.
 
As an alternative suggestion why not a virtual subscription thing rather than PayPal taps and then get full access. You tube is too easy to just forget to go to your site and pay, especially if I'm streaming via the DVD player to the biggish TV.

I'm not suggesting that you go to the trouble of building some kind of subscription engine on KTL as the stuff is on YouTube anyway. Instead, just make it easy for your fans to remember to pay our dues every time.

I would happily set up a SO say £5pm to watch your films.

It saves me the bother of going to PayPal to send to you each time I watch one and if you get a few doing that, you get a regular source of income.

If doing it I would perhaps suggest setting up a separate bank account to receive the money. Then transfer once a month.
 
Earlier today SWMBO put "Monster in Law" on the telly for the umpteenth time. Cue the mild disagreement that I usually lose and end up retreating into the internet. However I stood my ground, refused to watch it and put season 4 ( Gt Yarmouth to Wells) on. She knows the North Norfolk coast, and was enthralled. My dinner was late. Result. :encouragement:
 
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