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steveeasy said:
Hi,
£100 is either cheap or discounted, or perhaps they just are not full. either way Kip marina has had an awful lot of exposure over the last few months. I'm sure that is very welcome to any business.

The thing is like it or not both the busineses and Dylan are missing the boat, so to speak. Boat owners spend an absolute fortune on everything and anything, with the upmost respect to Dylan, tweak him a bit and hes worth an awful lot. of course that's not what keep turning left is about, I'm sure Dylan set out simply to share his journey and he has done so very well.

Steveeasy
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sadly steve you are ever so beautifully deluded

I have been a hack for years - first machinery, folollowed by farming, human observation, environment, food, women's matters, consumer affairs, natural history, travel and now sailing.

If the sailing journslism does not cover its backside then like all the other jobs.... it will go and I will drift onto something else

a man has to eat.

Keeping the Centaur in scotland is a £6.5K a year habit. If the taps don't cover the costs then the asset goes.

I would rather it didn't but I have been a freelance for many years. it is bloody horrible when the cash point stops talking to you

never again



D
 
Thanks for the complement!!. I meant well. I probably am deluded . ive been in business as well all my entire life.. in each venture, I have had to find additional income streams, diversify, and deal with outside intervention. anyone who has truly run their own busineses will appreciate the benefits and pitfalls. (I do).
Currently we offer sponsorship deals to local busineses at realistic rates. the income from this is passed on as incentives to customers to return. works really well. we are the poorest in terms of assets. the only business not to be supported in its market by huge public funding in the region. that said we are the market leader, the busiest, and only business to provide an entire range of events to both able and disabled competitors each and every week of the year.

The only thing that made it a success was bloody hard work and yes the need to eat. Marketing and sourcing additional income,is part and parcel of a small business enterprise. Still what do I know. Best wishes in the future.

Steveeasy

Steveeasy
 
I am sorry if that came over wrong

I hope I have not offended or patronised you at all

it was not my intentiobn

I know that all I am peddling is a few minutes of relaxation for old blokes

It is both an enterprise and a calling

but....

any project - even if it is just sailing a boat for fun has to have a budget.

when one revenue stream is underperforming you have to try to make it work

if you can't do that then you look for another stream - or several


short term my budget has gone a bit tits up

I am now at that difficult stage of restructuring

it is entirely possible that it could restructure to a stop is all I am saying




D
 
doug748 said:
I am sure all advice is well meant but I remember D Winter taking his donkey to Santiago in the 1970s for Radio 4 and he is a former BBC staffer.
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That's the solution. A donkey to Inverkip. Dylan can make two films from one trip.
 
dylanwinter said:
Keeping the Centaur in scotland is a £6.5K a year habit.
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How the hell do you manage to spend so much? Keeping a similarly sized boat about ten miles from Kip costs me £900 per year - that's £50 to the Crown Estate, £100 to the mooring contractor and £750 to the yard for winter storage.
 
JumbleDuck said:
How the hell do you manage to spend so much? Keeping a similarly sized boat about ten miles from Kip costs me £900 per year - that's £50 to the Crown Estate, £100 to the mooring contractor and £750 to the yard for winter storage.
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£2Ks worth of diesel

cornwall marina £120 a month for jan to may

Inverkipt £100 a month from september to christmas

two weeks at ardfern, a week in mallaig, a month in dunstaffnage, three irish marinas, cambeltown, crinnan canal

wear and tear on the car, engine mainetannce on the boat , antifoul

meths to keep warm

I hope it helps

D
 
dylanwinter said:
£2Ks worth of diesel

cornwall marina £120 a month for jan to may

Inverkipt £100 a month from september to christmas

two weeks at ardfern, a week in mallaig, a month in dunstaffnage, three irish marinas, cambeltown, crinnan canal

wear and tear on the car, engine mainetannce on the boat , antifoul

meths to keep warm

I hope it helps

D
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I'm not sure whether the Centaur or Scotland is being presented as the expensive factor. Any boat, even Katie L, is going to cost a lot if you stay in marinas so much and everything except the diesel for the car will be the same no matter where you keep a Centaur. There was some bloke giving a talk on sailing on a budget at the Scottish boat show - maybe he could have given you some tips?

On the bright side, Katie L is a lovely boat, even if she is a little snugger round the hips.
 
dylanwinter said:
£2Ks worth of diesel

cornwall marina £120 a month for jan to may

Inverkipt £100 a month from september to christmas

two weeks at ardfern, a week in mallaig, a month in dunstaffnage, three irish marinas, cambeltown, crinnan canal

wear and tear on the car, engine mainetannce on the boat , antifoul

meths to keep warm

I hope it helps

D
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I keep my boat in Scotland, live down south, and it costs me nothing like £6.5K a year - and it is bigger, 36ft v 26ft.

£2Ks worth of diesel at 80p/l (I've checked my bills) equates to about 10,000 miles for a Centaur. OK, some of that may be for heating, but I still find it difficult to make the sums agree. My diesel this year me has cost less than £200.

Dunstaffanage/Ardfern/Mallaig are expensive - you could have had a swing mooring at Kilmelford, just down the road from Ardfern, for some 1/3rd of the cost. Ditto at Arisaig compared to Mallaig (which is so unreasonably expensive for the area I refuse to go there).

I've got my boat laid up ashore, mast out, for less than a thousand quid for the winter, including all bills.

It probably costs me about £1.5K commuting to the boat. Could do it for a bit less, but I've got to an age when I like my creature comforts.
 
Minchsailor said:
£2Ks worth of diesel at 80p/l (I've checked my bills) equates to about 10,000 miles for a Centaur. OK, some of that may be for heating, but I still find it difficult to make the sums agree. My diesel this year me has cost less than £200.
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I believe Dylan is referring to the cost of driving back and forth to the boat from the deep south.
 
The only way of doing the trip to Scotland cheap, would be some sort of sponsorship deal with Megabus or a bus pass.

We all have to keep an eye on expenditure and it is better to start early. Dickens wrote about this expenditure more than income equals misery.
Shame you had to make this decision Dylan but the welcome in Wales is there if you want it.
 
Interestingly, we keep our boat at Port Bannatyne and live in Gloucestershire. Granted, we spend the whole summer up on the boat but also spent less than 6.5k in the last year - way less and I'm including the food we ate aboard from May to October. Always a way to slim the budget a bit. ��
 
robmcg said:
Interestingly, we keep our boat at Port Bannatyne and live in Gloucestershire. Granted, we spend the whole summer up on the boat but also spent less than 6.5k in the last year - way less and I'm including the food we ate aboard from May to October. Always a way to slim the budget a bit. ��
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I move around a fair bit so getting yearly rates is impossible - six weeks in dunstaffnage cost me £600. It is all stopping now so there will be no need to worry once the centaur has been sold
 
dylanwinter said:
I move around a fair bit so getting yearly rates is impossible - six weeks in dunstaffnage cost me £600. It is all stopping now so there will be no need to worry once the centaur has been sold
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Fair point but it can be done. Spent 2015 without a permanent mooring and sailed from Plymouth to Scotland via Ireland. With winter storage it was about £3k or so for a 35 footer.
 
dylanwinter said:
I move around a fair bit so getting yearly rates is impossible - six weeks in dunstaffnage cost me £600.
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Six weeks in the Ritz ain't cheap either, but you don't have to be rich to visit London. Last time I got rates from Crinan they were charging £200/month for a 26-footer on a mooring. Ardfern would be £265 a month.

Nothing personal, you understand, but I wouldn't want people thinking of sailing on the West Coast to think that the costs you suggest are at all typical of what a sailor on a budget might expect to pay.
 
JumbleDuck said:
Six weeks in the Ritz ain't cheap either, but you don't have to be rich to visit London. Last time I got rates from Crinan they were charging £200/month for a 26-footer on a mooring. Ardfern would be £265 a month.

Nothing personal, you understand, but I wouldn't want people thinking of sailing on the West Coast to think that the costs you suggest are at all typical of what a sailor on a budget might expect to pay.
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I never said my budget was ordinary

I was asked - I answered

I sincerely apologisse to you if at some stage I have said something that has upset you in some way
 
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