Yanmar 2GM20F - 2 Questions...

KevO

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So, having had winter maintainance plans foreshortened for the last 2 years I am finally hoping to get several jobs done with the engine twixt now and Apr on my Hustler 30.

Situation:

The diesel tank is located in the port aft cockpit locker. It is only 20L and to top it up at sea is a bit of a drama as you have to lift and secure the locker lid then juggle a fuel can around the cockpit obstructions such as the tiller and the main sheet etc. It's not ideal, especially in anything other than flat calm, and even more of a PITA when solo. I want more capacity to avoid having to do this at sea.

The fuel line runs down by gravity from the bottom of the tank through a CAV filter which is situated low down behind the engine. The fuel line then runs to the front of the engine, up through the integral fine filter (drawn by the fuel lift pump?) and into the engine.

Anyone with a Hustler 30 will appreciate that the only way to get to the back of the engine is to lift the floor which in my case means lifting out the large teak gratings then removing 8 x bolts that hold the floor hatch in place and watertight. Even then one has to climb into the stbd forelocker and then go head first down the floor hatch to reach the darned filter. It is a pig of a job and is again really not something I want to be doing at sea, especially in a drama situation. I would much rather be able to access the fuel filter from the front of the engine by lifting out the steps. Sooo much easier.

I also want to fit a diesel heater system this winter and replace the 2 rear engine mounts which are pretty rusty following a floor leak before I rebuilt the hatch a couple of years ago.

So, I have a general plan but there are a couple of associated questions that need answering before I can proceed.

I want more fuel capacity so rather than rip out that perfectly serviceable 20L stainless tank I could just earmark that as the heater tank alone and remove all fuel connections to the engine including the CAV.

Then install another larger plastic tek tank job in the bottom of the port fwd locker. I could then take a fuel line through the bulkhead into the engine bay, refit the CAV in a more convenient spot and run the fuel lines to/from the engine as before. A question arises here. The supply from the old tank has a 'head' of about 24" down to the filter. Given that the new tank would be at pretty much the same level as the CAV would the fuel lift pump on the engine alone have sufficient draw to lift fuel from the tank (through a top feed fitting) through the CAV and then up to the engine? Or will an additional fuel pump likely be required?

Further, I'm gonna lift the engine into the saloon so that I can get all the jobs done with more space, draw the prop shaft and replace the cutless bearing and the PSS seal at the same time. Paint out the bay then remount the engine etc. Can I just replace the 2 rear mounts with alternatives rather than the Yanmar branded gold plated and diamond encrusted ones (they must be so to justify the price!). I believe R&D (?) make suitable replacements that although different should still fit without too much fettling? Can I keep the Yanmars on the front and just replace the rear ones do you think?

Open to suggestions folks....

Kev
 
Wow, that's an awkward engine access!

The only bit I can advise on is the lift pump which will have absolutely no problems. Mine on the 3GM (same as the 2GM as far as I'm aware) lifts from around 30cm below the pump through a 296 filter without problems.

Good Idea to move the filter too which I also did and made changes and even looking at the glass bowl easy.

For filling the tank from cans, have you tried a jiggle siphon tube? Great bit of kit I use all the time.

Good luck.
 
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Thanks for the response mate. Cool. If the internal pump is man enough (can you say that now?) then that’s one worry sorted.

Yes, access to the rear of the engine is a real biatch. I have the floor up to change the transmission oil and grease the PSS each winter but doing it at sea is a pig. That’s why I changed the Delphi with bowl assembly to a simple screw on jobber some time ago. Hanging head down through the floor trying to align 3x rubber seals on the old glass bowl type at arms length was a recipe for lots of cussing!!!!
 
nice filter access :D

I agree, lift pump would be fine, mine sucks from the main tank which is 20-40cm lower than the lift pump.
fwiw, I was so annoyed with the factory fitted filter (leaking air, stripped vent thread, etc) that I ditched that completely and replaced it with a cav296 with a custom bracket on the original position. Replaced the hard pipes in the process.

no idea about mounts sorry.

however since I'll have to remove my 2GM20F for a full rebuilt (it's my generator's engine not main propulsion) how you recon you're going to move the motor about? must be over 60kg, wont be easy, or do you have access on top to lift it using the sail winches? Personally thinking of taking it apart (for starters I'll disconnect it to the generator and even remove the isowhatever mounting plate, starter, seawater pump, maybe the heat exchanger on top, etc...
 
Just to supprt the comments by 'ctva', I have recently tested the fuel system on my 2GM20F as part of a starting problem which turned out to be a blocked exhaust elbow.
In doing so I followed the lift test explained in the offical service manual and found the lift pump easily lifted fuel just short of a metre.
S o you have some distance to play with. Best of luck.
 
I have similar set up with the fuel filter, only thing i found was i had aching fingers while bleeding through the diesel after changing the cav filter using the engine lift pump! It will do it no problem, but later i put a priming bulb in the fuel line and now it takes seconds to bled the fuel through, which would make a huge difference if you had to change it at sea.
 
Can't really help wrt the fuel tank but I replaced the 2 front yanmar 2GM20 engine mounts with R&D mounts. These were a direct replacement and the mounting holes to the engine bearers are an exact match. The R&D mount has a much thicker base so you may lead slightly longer mounting bolts. I used the engine with mixed mounts for about 60 hours with no problems but decided to change the rear mounts as it was clear they were "soft" (glad I did as they were in a very poor state).
Engine realigned and the level of vibration and transmitted noise fairly similar. The R&D mounts are a much better design and I rated to hold the engine in a roll over (not that I intend to try). They are not cheap, about 60% of the price of Yanmar mounts if I recall. The R&D staff were very helpful.
 
On my 2gm20 I installed a CAV type filter in front of the engine on a new home made painted mild steel bracket screwed to the engine bed. It is very low, the bottom of the assembly spaced off the hull enough room to get a sandwich box sized tray under it. There is just enough room to get access to the water pump assembly behind it and only just enough room to swing the manual starting handle. To eyeball the bottom of the filter to check for water I need to remove a couple of screws in a panel, or easier is to use my smart phone to take a photo to inspect.

The yacht has a Vetus polythene (?) plastic 45 litre tank which I rather like because you can see the level of the fuel in it. Especially if you shine a powerful touch through from the other side. I have marked on the side of it a number of line markers to tell me how many litres it needs to fill it from that level. Which avoids over filling to spill or under filling in error. Much better than previous boat with SS tanks that had a barely readable gauge. Plastic is probably a weight saving as well.

If fitting a new tank I would recommend having the ability designed in to enable you suck or draw out the dregs from the bottom of the tank every so often. Because on my tank this is really difficult due to bends in the filler pipe and the nice built in inspection hatch having very restricted access.

I have just changed the knackered rear mounts on my engine for yanmar ones. I did not want to take the risk of a vibration problem with non yanmar mounts. I am trying to cure an excessive vibration problem so introducing a new variable could complicate matters.
 
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I can't quite visualise your set up so can't comment on that aspect but on my Yanmar 2gm20f I installed a 296 filter with a built in primer button pump. This sure made priming very much easier.
 
Hmmm, wonder what they sold me?
The wrong ones, as they specifically detail them as yanmar replacement design

As far as others not wanting change from Yanmar originals, the originals are so poorly made. The actual loading spec is the same, but most upgrade to stiffer spec
 
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