BurnitBlue
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Rudder hard over which must be a nightmare. Cannot recognise the boat photograph (Sunday Mail on-line) but it is definitely an AWB.
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BurnitBlue
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Talking to myself but too late to edit my post.
From what I have seen of AWB rudder systems, could the rudder ave been unbolted fron the interior and just dropped with a bung over the hole?
From what I have seen of AWB rudder systems, could the rudder ave been unbolted fron the interior and just dropped with a bung over the hole?
Pye_End
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Any chance of a link?
Jobs_a_ good_ un
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David_Jersey
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...vaged-seas.html
Just too quick for me. LOL /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Just too quick for me. LOL /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
cliff
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Talking to myself but too late to edit my post.
From what I have seen of AWB rudder systems, could the rudder ave been unbolted fron the interior and just dropped with a bung over the hole?
[/ QUOTE ]Not if the lower end is skeg mounted.
Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity.
Talking to myself but too late to edit my post.
From what I have seen of AWB rudder systems, could the rudder ave been unbolted fron the interior and just dropped with a bung over the hole?
[/ QUOTE ]Not if the lower end is skeg mounted.
BurnitBlue
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Aaah, you are right. I was just thinking about the boats hauled at my club which seem to be balanced spade rudders.
I remember partial skegs now that I think more about it so they must have at least a pintle.
Looks like they are experienced and tried really hard. I cannotothink of a solution except swimming under water with a crowbar. Truly a frightening scenario.
I remember partial skegs now that I think more about it so they must have at least a pintle.
Looks like they are experienced and tried really hard. I cannotothink of a solution except swimming under water with a crowbar. Truly a frightening scenario.
Phoenix of Hamble
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Other than that, if it is a balanced spade... an underwater collision that has bent the shaft is the only other explanation I can think of that would jam it in such a manner....
whichever, no doubt a very scary situation to find yourself in.
whichever, no doubt a very scary situation to find yourself in.
BurnitBlue
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Hi Morgana
The last time we met on this forum we had a fight about in mast reefing systems so I won't mention my preference for long keel MAB's and keel hung rudders. Yup I'm an old fogey.
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The last time we met on this forum we had a fight about in mast reefing systems so I won't mention my preference for long keel MAB's and keel hung rudders. Yup I'm an old fogey.
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photodog
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I think its a Dufour Classic... ergo something around 1998-2002/3 vintage... In fact I am certain its a circa 1999 Dufour 43 Classic... They are pretty solid boats.. but a spade rudder.
WindermereColvic
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Probably missing something obvious here, but why could they not use thier windgen (see pic) for power? supose it might have just been broken through the trip, but is thier another reason anyone can think of?
photodog
Lord High Commander of Upper Broughton and Gunthor
Dont rely on what you read in the D.mail as being accurate....
Phoenix of Hamble
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well, i'm up for another one if you are.... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
whipper_snapper
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Bugger! I know him and his boat very well. He is a very very experienced sailor and has lived onboard for many years.
Sara is indeed a Dufour Classic, not sure what year, Somewhere I have a load of photos of her in the Med.
Bugger
Sara is indeed a Dufour Classic, not sure what year, Somewhere I have a load of photos of her in the Med.
Bugger
tcm
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I'm always on the lookout for things that can go wrong on transat. My understanding is that a rudder hard-over is a fault of the mechanism, which turns itself inside out so to speak?
So (if spade rudder) disconnecting it from that mechanism would/should sort the problem?
Hm, yes, if bent shaft, that's another matter...but once disconnected then a severe levering should centre it?
Not sure how technically inventive the crew was in this case as it reports skipper as saying he had "no luck" in effecting a fix...but they have 11transats betweeen them so must have seen stuff... but luck isn't usually what failing/failed boat-bodgers blame - cos if one tries to fix something then success is almost always 100% down to you and not anything to do with "luck" unless (say) guessing electrical wiring (!) .. though that might be reading too much into just two words of the report.
Spose the problems really got worse when he drifted north towards bermuda wth its much-worse-than caribbean weather in Feb.
I am fairly convinced i could deal with at least one rudder loss, although it would be a bit creepy.
So (if spade rudder) disconnecting it from that mechanism would/should sort the problem?
Hm, yes, if bent shaft, that's another matter...but once disconnected then a severe levering should centre it?
Not sure how technically inventive the crew was in this case as it reports skipper as saying he had "no luck" in effecting a fix...but they have 11transats betweeen them so must have seen stuff... but luck isn't usually what failing/failed boat-bodgers blame - cos if one tries to fix something then success is almost always 100% down to you and not anything to do with "luck" unless (say) guessing electrical wiring (!) .. though that might be reading too much into just two words of the report.
Spose the problems really got worse when he drifted north towards bermuda wth its much-worse-than caribbean weather in Feb.
I am fairly convinced i could deal with at least one rudder loss, although it would be a bit creepy.
whipper_snapper
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Not sure how technically inventive the crew was in this case as it reports skipper as saying he had "no luck" in effecting a fix, which isn't usually what failing boat-bodgers blame - cos if one tries to fix something then success is almost always 100% down to you and not anything to do with "luck" unless (say) guessing electrical wiring (!) .. though that might be reading too much into just two words of the report.
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Stuart is an immensely practical person and having known the boat for many years, I would think he would have as good a chance as anyone of fixing it had fixing been possible. "No luck" is a typical modest Stuart phrase that sounds just like him, but means he worked his bollox off to fix it.
Not sure how technically inventive the crew was in this case as it reports skipper as saying he had "no luck" in effecting a fix, which isn't usually what failing boat-bodgers blame - cos if one tries to fix something then success is almost always 100% down to you and not anything to do with "luck" unless (say) guessing electrical wiring (!) .. though that might be reading too much into just two words of the report.
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Stuart is an immensely practical person and having known the boat for many years, I would think he would have as good a chance as anyone of fixing it had fixing been possible. "No luck" is a typical modest Stuart phrase that sounds just like him, but means he worked his bollox off to fix it.
graham
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Could be something as simple as a bit of rope jammed between the top of the rudder and the hull. I agree with your idea of dropping the rudder .In the extreme case I would consider unbolting the fittings at the top of the rudder shaft and jettison it completely. No rudder would be better than jammed hard over .
Phoenix of Hamble
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Yep... we obviously haven't got the full story from the Daily Mail here.....
In the worst case, in any calmer weather, you might be able to go under the boat with a hacksaw, and cut the thing off.....
Will be interesting to see what the real cause of the problem was...
In the worst case, in any calmer weather, you might be able to go under the boat with a hacksaw, and cut the thing off.....
Will be interesting to see what the real cause of the problem was...
fantasia7628
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Being new to this forum and not being a fan of TLA's (three letter acronyms), I've just worked out what an AWB is; but what the heck is a MAB please?
tcm
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underwater crowbar
hm, this would have to be tried in not-too-rough water, possibly with scuba gear perhaps to avoid gulping in water. But the main prob in rough water is the crashity stern which gives an excellent impression of being easily able to smash you to bits - had some other thing hapen underwater and once kitted up even a fairly expert/gutsy diver just didn't fancy it in following f5.
However...what's there to lever against? Praps need to shape a lever to get hold of the rudder post and rudder i spose.
There again, a bent spade rudder is gonna likely be letting in water so best option is batter the thing out with the masive hammer and bung the hole....
hm, this would have to be tried in not-too-rough water, possibly with scuba gear perhaps to avoid gulping in water. But the main prob in rough water is the crashity stern which gives an excellent impression of being easily able to smash you to bits - had some other thing hapen underwater and once kitted up even a fairly expert/gutsy diver just didn't fancy it in following f5.
However...what's there to lever against? Praps need to shape a lever to get hold of the rudder post and rudder i spose.
There again, a bent spade rudder is gonna likely be letting in water so best option is batter the thing out with the masive hammer and bung the hole....
