Would you rent your car to a 19 year old?

And if the renter wrecked your old bogey ....

What would you do next?

OK, You could walk to Mirelle but what would your lovely lady wife say?

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an exam qualification is meaningless without...

...hard earned experience.

Just what I was trying to say Nigel.

I just didn't understand your previous post!

Steve Cronin


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RRe: YM courses in 1974...

Yes there were. It was only a couple of years after the RYA took over from the Board of Trade.

Steve Cronin

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Nigel, the last time I made....

...this point I nearly got lynched by contributers to this forum.

Now I take the chance to make it again and most people are in support.


Gee, it's tough being in the vanguard of public opinnion!

Steve Cronin


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Re: Point made

I did not expect to find myself supporting the Yachtmaster course system, but I do know people who have learned at sailing schools who are much better small boat seamen than I. Perhaps they always would be, regardless of how they learned, but they seem to have been taught some jolly sensible things.

There must be good and bad courses and examiners, but maybe a course cannot teach instinctive seamanship, like keeping to the windward side of a channel. I have been dismayed by people who want to hold the starboard bank when it is the lee shore and there are no other boats to present a collision risk!

Having said which, I don't think I have that much experience. I have about eight years experience, plus another 26 years of doing much the same thing and thereby repeating earlier experience, not adding to it!

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But nobody understands what I say

and I haven't a clue why.

I go through my posts to try to make sure that they are intelliglible .. and seem to fail all the time.

I'd be more than grateful if everyone could point out what I saying incorrectly or un-understandably is wrong so that I can learn so as to what I'm trying to say becomes meaningful.

Cheers,

NigeCh



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Lending Mirelle is quite another matter!

She has been loaned, and she might one day be loaned to a 19 year old, but only if I knew him or her very well and had sailed a good bit with them.

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Point of information

> All I know is that a crossing to Cherbourg means having to cross Les Casquets TSS<

If you're not lost, then from Gosport you don't get near any TSS. You do get two distinct traffic lanes, but TSS rules don't apply.

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Another point from the article .....

... the authur refers to "....taking equipment off the charter boat next door"

Does this mean then that the Ben 38 wasn't actually a charter boat itself and presumably not equipped, insured and plated as such?

Have we been witness to an illegal charter?

I wonder.

Steve Cronin

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Were I to have an examiner then ...

I'd have you (and me) as crew with ACB as examiner.

Our passage would be from Heybridge to La Coruna in January.

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Re: But nobody understands...

Chuckle, Chuckle!!

Steve

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PRO vs HAM ??

If you tried to develop a system of qualification, with clear delineation of theory and practice, I reckon you would be hard pressed to do better than the RYA system.
The staging of the qualification by certified sea-miles or ocean-miles, as the case may be, is arbitrary - you could pick different numbers - but it is difficult to see an alternative.

Since the RYA scheme is really directed at the amateur sailor, what you are grumping about is the fast-track to the RYA qual. for PROFESSIONAL reasons - in order to become a RYAI. Surely, the answer is to have two separate tracks, for amateur and pro? The pro can then be fast-tracked, and examined to a professional standard, instead of the rather old-fashioned nod and a wink really designed for the ham? If you are expecting to earn money from the qualification, a bit extra to employ a decent qualification scheme is not too much to ask? And then, if you are already an old hand, with the amateur ym. and want to become a pro (ymi) then you pay up your dosh and take the exams, which should be relatively easy for an old hand?
The point I am making is that if there were a GENUINE pro qualification (rather than this dti rubber-stamp to raise a few bob), the standards applied could be commensurately higher, examined by a different, stricter, examining body.

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That\'s the shortest post that you\'ve ever made ...

For total non-understandablity it could be related to sailing from Charnwood or from the outrageous cost of your new office front/side door.

I'll chuckle-chuckle about the latter and then chuckle-chuckle some more.


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THAT makes sense!

The old DTI YM qualification, referred to by Steve, was occasionally taken by amateurs but was intended for professional yacht skippers of the old school - i.e. men who had grown up from boyhood as professional fishermen, under sail, but who needed to know how to navigate deep sea and what to do in a foreign port with regard to signing crew on and off, etc. For that reason, the course was very short on seamanship - everyone in professional yachting in those days would have been sculling a ship's boat around the harbour before they were ten.

I think there is a very good case for separating the amateur (ym) and professional (YMI) qualifications more firmly.

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Re: THAT makes sense!

Excuse me for doing so, but I have taken the liberty of switching this part of the discussion to a new thread above....

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Essentially, I was putting myself in for an exam!

I knew that H.W.Tilman, CBE, DSO, MC and bar, usually "roasted" those of his crews who did not measure up to his standards, very much in public, in his books. So sailing with him was like putting oneself in for a stiff examination in Seamanship and what used to be called Moral Fibre!

In place of a Yachtmaster's Certificate, really!

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Early YachtMasters

Yes, just. I knew a guy who is YM no 7, which I'm fairly certain he got in 1973. The practical test - still DTI influenced - was then easier than it later became, and as a bonus the earliest Yachtmasters got an automatic invitation to a free place as a Watch Leader on the Winston Churchill or Malcolm Miller.

Also (in his case) an invitation to crew over to Cherbourg in my Wayfarer. Unlike the luckless young skipper of the Beneteau, fortunately we didn't get further than around the Isle of Wight.
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