single
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Maybe that explains why i am always hours ahead of pure sailboats in big seas.(mine is 40hp Vs others around 20hp)
Would my engine cope?
- Thread starter Tryweryn
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Maybe that explains why i am always hours ahead of pure sailboats in big seas.(mine is 40hp Vs others around 20hp)
SteveSarabande
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A 40ltr fuel tank isn't going to get you very far
Tryweryn
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Just dawned on me. I think the engines a guzzler. Even with two jerry cans its bad.
single
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Your right there.Most of them seem to be about 25 gallon (is the OP sure its not 40 gallon?) If its 40ltr that means re-fuel stops every day to be safe!
I think i would do it over two weeks to make it a holiday with a couple of longer stops in nice places. Something like Ipswich-Dover-Brighton-Weymouth-Looe-Penzance-St.Ives-Milford-Fishguard-Caernarfon. On the shortish leg from Penzance/St.ives go via the Scilly isles as your passing?
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sailorman
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2lr ph is a rough guide @ YOT
Daydream believer
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Make sure you have a good system of refilling the tank at sea
You will need a decent sized funnel, with filter, plus a spout for the jerry cans
trying to get fuel into the tank in a rolly sea is extremely difficult
The best way may be to use a syphon pump which will avoid spillage
Any fuel on the cockpit floor will spread everywhere & create a skating ring so a roll of industrial absorbent paper is handy
Whilst i agree that you need spare filters , changing them at sea is a devil of a job.
I suggest the best option is to empty the tank into your jerry cans using one of those cheap pumps on a drill ( can also be used for transferring fuel at sea if you have a battery drill)
You can then clean the tanks & check the fuel. this will save all the filter changing
You can re filter the fuel a couple of times by pouring from one can to the other then put it back in the tank having checked it for diesel bug
By filling the tank from empty you will know the correct capacity. Not all tanks are as quoted ( My Hanse is supposed to hold 50 litres but it is actually 45 litres)
If you do not run max throttle you will get about 2 litres per hour & get about 5-5.5 knots Open it up & you will use 2.3 litres per hour for only .5 knots extra speed, if that.
The fuel lines are cheap enough to buy so why not replace them ASAP & ,while you are at it, some new jubilee clips. Check for leaks by leaving valve open for a couple of days. Lay some absorbent paper under the joints & it will show if anything leaked out
Change the engine oil & gearbox oil. Change the pump impeller as it may have been in one position for a while & begun to perish.
i reckon a couple of spare impellers is every bit as important as filters. i used 3 in one year then only one per year for the next 6 years. It just happens that way
The most I have motored non stop with my 19HP Volvo is 29 hours & it did it easily.
The hard bit was refilling the fuel tank at sea
You will need a decent sized funnel, with filter, plus a spout for the jerry cans
trying to get fuel into the tank in a rolly sea is extremely difficult
The best way may be to use a syphon pump which will avoid spillage
Any fuel on the cockpit floor will spread everywhere & create a skating ring so a roll of industrial absorbent paper is handy
Whilst i agree that you need spare filters , changing them at sea is a devil of a job.
I suggest the best option is to empty the tank into your jerry cans using one of those cheap pumps on a drill ( can also be used for transferring fuel at sea if you have a battery drill)
You can then clean the tanks & check the fuel. this will save all the filter changing
You can re filter the fuel a couple of times by pouring from one can to the other then put it back in the tank having checked it for diesel bug
By filling the tank from empty you will know the correct capacity. Not all tanks are as quoted ( My Hanse is supposed to hold 50 litres but it is actually 45 litres)
If you do not run max throttle you will get about 2 litres per hour & get about 5-5.5 knots Open it up & you will use 2.3 litres per hour for only .5 knots extra speed, if that.
The fuel lines are cheap enough to buy so why not replace them ASAP & ,while you are at it, some new jubilee clips. Check for leaks by leaving valve open for a couple of days. Lay some absorbent paper under the joints & it will show if anything leaked out
Change the engine oil & gearbox oil. Change the pump impeller as it may have been in one position for a while & begun to perish.
i reckon a couple of spare impellers is every bit as important as filters. i used 3 in one year then only one per year for the next 6 years. It just happens that way
The most I have motored non stop with my 19HP Volvo is 29 hours & it did it easily.
The hard bit was refilling the fuel tank at sea
SteveSarabande
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In the brokers advert it said litres. Could be a mistake though.
sailorman
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Is the OP on his boat this w/e ??????
Andrew G
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Good advice from Daydream believer (et al) above. Replace oils, empty and clean tank, check/change lines, change filter(s), change impeller, clean fuel. Check throttle and gear Morse cables - are they free to move, kinked etc. You might check the exhaust elbow and the anode while you are at it (the latter won’t stop you but the former might).
My 19HP (34’ boat) does 1.75 l per hour in flat seas at 5 to 5.5 knots (75% revs), nearer to 2 lph at 6 to 6.5 knots at 90% - and lots of noise and vibration and no more speed flat out. Also check electrical connections, spades and connectors off then on might do, check battery terminals, check battery (you may only need to start it once but it doesn’t hurt to be careful). They love to run for long periods at 75% revs (much better for them). But vary it for say 30mins every x hours). (Mine has done 1,000 litres in 9 months, and it was 10+ years old to start - still going strong). Just do it, Andrew
My 19HP (34’ boat) does 1.75 l per hour in flat seas at 5 to 5.5 knots (75% revs), nearer to 2 lph at 6 to 6.5 knots at 90% - and lots of noise and vibration and no more speed flat out. Also check electrical connections, spades and connectors off then on might do, check battery terminals, check battery (you may only need to start it once but it doesn’t hurt to be careful). They love to run for long periods at 75% revs (much better for them). But vary it for say 30mins every x hours). (Mine has done 1,000 litres in 9 months, and it was 10+ years old to start - still going strong). Just do it, Andrew
jwilson
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Exactly, the CW is a heavy solid motorsailer: designed to have the power mostly coming from the engine. In a gale you would be very hard put to get to windward at all under sail alone, but could open the throttle and punch your way ahead with the engine. A Moody 30 though is designed primarily to sail, but like all half-modern sailing yachts she has a big enough engine to get there if need be under power alone as well, though often motorsailing, tacking as close as you can with reefed main only pinned in is much less uncomfortable and almost as fast.
single
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Ror fuel transfer at sea,these are good providing you have a decent cordless drill http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Drill-Pump-Suitable-for-Oil-Fluids-Diesel-Kerosene-Water-TE456-/371044835783?pt=UK_HomeGarden_Garden_PondsWaterFeatures_UK&hash=item5663fee1c7
sailorman
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a jigger is much easier
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clyst
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have you thought about putting it on a low loader ?
rob2
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I'd consider taking the wife's friend so long as you're not paying them for the privilege! My own cowardice/discretion (depends why I'm telling the story) meant that I took a full crew when collecting my "new" boat from West Mersea, sailing back to Southampton. Each crewmember owned their own boat, but it soon became obvious that they looked to one man as the skipper - and it wasn't me. Part of the reason he was held in such high regard was his sensitivity to everything happening on the boat, so much so that whenever he was asked for a decision he would give it as an opinion and ask whether I concurred. I made some of the decisions, mostly the wrong ones, but everone was happy that we day sailed from pub to pub only testing the lights on a couple of lateish arrivals. The biggest problem was victualling en route - I'd suggest that you make sure you have enough food and drink on board for a couple of days at least and some extra emergency rations. It was annoying to arrive somewhere and find it was half day closing - had to eat in the pub!
Rob.
Rob.
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Bummer.
bobgoode
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My current best...Jeanneau Sun Odeysey 32, Volvo MD2020; non stop for 36 straight hours from Newlyn to Kilmore Quay in Ireland at 4.75 Kts and 2000 rpm to conserve fuel (we had not been able to top off tank before leaving Newly and we expected at least some wind.)
Tryweryn
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Had an offer from a guy with a truck with a loader crane who will lift it move it and launch it for £1,800
Includes lorry loader crane lift on and off as well as the transport on a date to suit total height of vessel including mast lay along her deck MUST NOT exceed 12 feet for our specialised lifting service I can re launch with permission from Caernarfon, Dinas or Ffelinhelli as I am frequently there, a moody 30 fin keel is just on my height limit and would need confirming insured up to 40k
Wounder if he means 12feet from mast base to end or the overlap aft?
Wounder if this laying the mast puts a strain on it?
I'm tempted to take him up on the offer as then it is here for my holidays and I can work on it and get used to it. But I do feel i'm copping out of the challenge. My options are open so to speak. That fuel tank puts me off seen more fuel capacity in a zippo lighter.
Includes lorry loader crane lift on and off as well as the transport on a date to suit total height of vessel including mast lay along her deck MUST NOT exceed 12 feet for our specialised lifting service I can re launch with permission from Caernarfon, Dinas or Ffelinhelli as I am frequently there, a moody 30 fin keel is just on my height limit and would need confirming insured up to 40k
Wounder if he means 12feet from mast base to end or the overlap aft?
Wounder if this laying the mast puts a strain on it?
I'm tempted to take him up on the offer as then it is here for my holidays and I can work on it and get used to it. But I do feel i'm copping out of the challenge. My options are open so to speak. That fuel tank puts me off seen more fuel capacity in a zippo lighter.
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alahol2
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http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=907 gives fuel tank as 30 gallons/114 litres which doesn't quite translate but I would bet on somewhere like 100 litres.
LittleSister
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I think he means the height of the vessel from the bottom of the keel(s) to the highest point of the boat as transported including the mast if this is being carried laid along the top of the boat.
Probably easiest to carry the mast laid on the bed of the truck. If you carry it on top of the boat, you will probably have to build/contrive supports to do so. Do not carry the mast laying on an unsupported bit of the pushpit or pulpit - make sure it's over a stanchion or carried on, e.g. a short plank between pushpit stanchions - other wise you'll bend it.
Probably easiest to carry the mast laid on the bed of the truck. If you carry it on top of the boat, you will probably have to build/contrive supports to do so. Do not carry the mast laying on an unsupported bit of the pushpit or pulpit - make sure it's over a stanchion or carried on, e.g. a short plank between pushpit stanchions - other wise you'll bend it.
charles_reed
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Interesting you should think that - most would (I suspect) consider your boat over-engined.
Mine is slightly larger, has the same size motor (Yanmar) cruises @ 5.5 knots and has a maximum speed of 7.8 knots, under power. Endurance is 30 hours @ cruising rpm.
I suspect that your tank capacity will be the limiting factor - the distance of 200nm, for a boat diesel, is irrelevant.