Wind damage at Ravenglass

[claymore]

I think you could sensibly use this thread to provide evidence that your actions are considered and that you have sought advice from others.
Any owner who choses not to check their boats and mooring tackle regularly, especially given the wind and tides that we have experienced recently, ought to be thankful that there are others trying their best to keep an eye on them.
Lakesailor keeps an eye on my boat and I am extremely grateful to him. Should my boat come adrift, I certainly would not hold him, or anyone else responsible.

 

[Croak]

Now secure, and another picture for the boat identifiers.

 

[Seajet]

Croak,

well done on helping the boat; you don't like to make it easy for ' the boat identifiers ' though do you ?!

Still don't know, don't think it's a Pegasus 700 - Pandora maybe ?

 

[Croak]

I think taking the shot that you want would involve a helicopter.

Tiny boom!

 

[Seajet]

Actually, the shot you've got there would normally involve a helicopter !

Now if you'd be so kind as to hang around until she floats and get some shots from a normal sailors' perspective I'd be ever so grateful; you may need a powerful flash or tungsten lamps and a generator, hire shops do them nowadays.

Thanks.

 

[VicS]

Croak,

well done on helping the boat; you don't like to make it easy for ' the boat identifiers ' though do you ?!

Still don't know, don't think it's a Pegasus 700 - Pandora maybe ?

I dont think its a Pegasus

Pretty sure its a Pandora 700. See http://pandorasailing.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/700brochure.pdf

 

[sailorman]

I dont think its a Pegasus

Pretty sure its a Pandora 700. See http://pandorasailing.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/700brochure.pdf

Yes looks like it.
i couldnt afford one so i had the prelude

 

[Croak]

It is now upright, got the lines on just in time. Virtual pint for the Pandora 700 identifiers. That is what the makers plate says it is. It was on Windermere 2011. Licence number may help me contact the owner as I know one of the lake wardens.

picture later

 

[AngusMcDoon]

It is now upright, got the lines on just in time. Virtual pint for the Pandora 700 identifiers. That is what the makers plate says it is. It was on Windermere 2011. Licence number may help me contact the owner as I know one of the lake wardens.

picture later

With the storm surges predicted over the next few days you might be able to float it off with ease - unless it's blowing a F12.

 

[sailorman]

It is now upright, got the lines on just in time. Virtual pint for the Pandora 700 identifiers. That is what the makers plate says it is. It was on Windermere 2011. Licence number may help me contact the owner as I know one of the lake wardens.

picture later

Fingers x

 

[SailinHope]

Happy coincidence has contrived this week to bring to my attention the PBO winter mooring advice, this forum for the first time and this thread of my Pandora 700’s trip up the bank at Ravenglass last Christmas.

Firstly a huge thanks again to ‘Croak’ and his friends for securing my boat when it broke loose in the storms and for everyone’s help in manhandling it down to a level where I could eventually float it off.

But a word on nylon mooring lines. My 2 lines were fairly new (about 18 & 4 months old), 5/8’’ multi strand nylon rope, secured by separate shackles with thimbles to the mooring chain. The ropes were covered with pvc fuel line where they ran out over/next to the bow roller and were tied to it with a separate light rope. Fairly secure I thought. Not a bit of it.

Afterward several people mentioned how nylon rope is prone to work hardening. I did not know that. At and around the point where the ropes broke (at the bow roller position), they were each fused into a near solid cord which was very stiff and clearly brittle.

The winds and storm surges were reported as truly phenomenal. I assume that as the boat swung and bounced on the mooring, the nylon just worked itself to death over the bow roller.

My choice now is 100% chain. Does anyone have any other ideas?

 

[Lakesailor]

I have commented many times on using plastic pipe over the warps. Sun hardens most plastic pipe and it cracks where it passes over the bow roller. The sharp edges can cut the warps.
I had nylon warps on Windermere for 10 years, without pipe. They were fine, even after becoming quite stiff. The only failure I had was a polyester mooring line.

These were two boats next to my own mooring.

 

[TQA]

I remember reading about a piece of research done by Boat US [I think ] on the topic of mooring warps passing over chocks or rollers when being subjected to repetitive snatch loading. They said the heat buildup due to internal friction was sufficient to cause significant damage to the rope.

That may well have happened to SailinHope..

It has made me think twice about putting any sort of anti chafe protection on a warp in a short term extreme situation. Better a little chafe than more heat heat build up.