Why solent raggies hate powerboats - new theory!

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I have used power and sail in loads of diffrent places. In the carib, they have power meets and lots of raggies gather to gawp at the loonies belting arond a short course. In the med, everyone gawps at the big boats, some power some sail. There's almost never ever any fist-waving at sea. Not so in the solent.

I *think* i may have alighted on the answer. Your decide. I mentioned this in the past so hopefully will phrase it better.

Supposing someone else at a funfair, decides to shoot the ducks. They are given the gun and the pellets. They look down the sight. But instead of pointing it away from you they point it AT you. You move away - and they follow you, grinning. Then, they swerve it away, and shoot at the floating duck or whatever. You'd be annoyed and concerend, and quite right too. "What's the matter?" they laugh "I was in perfect control, been doing this donkey's years". Hold that thought.

Now, in the solent, obstructions either side, loads of boats, there is somehow a tendency to point a powerboat - at a sailing boat! I'm not kidding. There isn't really a "very clear" bit of water, esp at weekends gong east-west as most do. So with limited space, there's a significant tendency to point towards a distant boat that seems near-stationary (as they all do) as a "focus" perhaps. I mean, much easier to line up with a white thing in the water than a bit of a very round hill on IOW, perhaps. Anyway, I've been on other powerboats, and had other quite esp helms drive my (power) boats and most if not all do this, unaware of the uncomfortable "gun scenario" feeling on the sailing boat as the mobo closes in having chosen them as their next quasi-waypoint.

So, you aren't paranoid and they ARE outto get you - but unconciously! Mebbe i shd've posted this on the mobo forum. Loads of mobos will deny they do it, but look down the line of the bow, there's almost always a sailing boat, and they stay on thart line for quite some time. Loads will deny it, but it somehow seems to take some extra effort for a mobo (even drivben with expertise and care etc) to ensure that there isn't a sailing boat bang on the nose, in the solent.

Discuss!
 
I think as well that it can be as simple as we are both heading for the same point. If I am heading say from Lymington back to Cowes, I have probably left 2 hours before the mobo and am just coming round Egypt point when he overtakes me - usually when I am stood on the coach roof dropping the main!
 
Possibly, but then I'm very aware of this phenomenon, so don't do it - having flown a lot while younger especially in hang gliders - first thing you are taught whilst landing a hang glider is not to look at the only tree on a flat field 3miles square cos it's guaranteed you'll hit it. Many did hit that tree, until they caught on, and drilled students in the hazards. Even then, one student on my course was nicknamed Buzby after he aimed for a telegraph pole and ended up with one wing on wire - twas a long time ago, and I bet they still drill students on that
 
when mountain biking, going fast downhill you should not ogle any stump or rut because you tend to hit it, with the obvious outcome, we tend to absorb the whole picture and through super speed thought process's allow the sub concious to steer around hazards,
it's more often than not the ones we dont see that jump up and bite.
Goes with what's being said here, there must be a scientific reason, part of the brain dominating somewhere?
 
Agree that people unconciously aim at things they should not (like the floating cork in the toilet bowl).

Maybe MoBo's should be made to have their helm seats set to one side of the wheel so as only experienced skippers would know what the boat was really aiming at when they are looking over the stem?

John
 
>not to look at the only tree on a flat field 3miles square cos it's guaranteed you'll hit it.<

Similar story told by a school friend's father. He was, at some point during the last lot of unpleasantness with the Germans, based at a supply dump in Palestine. Flat desert for miles, one scrubby tree about half a mile from the dump, so many drivers hit the tree that in the end they got out the RASC axe and chopped it down.
 
In this corner they belong to the same club tend to be mates and sometimes share the same cruise unlike some of the the YaYas in the Solent.
 
Similar story.

The Ténéré Tree is an irreplacable point of reference for Tuaregs known for their astounding powers of navigation across hundreds of miles of uninterrupted desert. But this is for sentimental reasons as what was the Ténéré Tree was the last acacia--and the only tree for several hundred miles of desert-- of the once great Saharan forests. The Ténéré Tree was hit by a Lybian truck driver in 1973 and its remains are now in the National Museum in Niamey. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Hereafter is the world famous New Tenere Tree in the Niger part of the Tenere desert. This metal tree replaces a natural acacia tree that died in 1973 after being hit by a truck.

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Great observation. I was taught something analagous when I did my motorcycle training. Basically the instructors tell you that when there is a pothole in a wide open road, don't look at it. If you do, you're likely to hit it.

You do have to consciously look at something else, which is difficult to do when everything else is featureless in comparison.
 
Sorry disagree. Never conciously or subconciously 'aim' at another boat. I may head in the direction of another boat way out in the distance but would still go in that direction if the boat wasn't there. I guess at most times in the solent you are always aiming at someone but they may be a mile away....

For someone to have the perspective from their boat that you are heading straight for them you are too close and going too fast. Caan't imagine a situation where doing that is acceptable and don't believe anyone does it.
 
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Then why do boats pass so close when there are acres of clear water? Why do you pass so close to buoys? Don't say you don't because I'm sure we all do. When it's passed astern you think "why the hell did I go so close to that?"
 
"yep, you're perfect kev -again"

No not perfect but I don't aim for other boats. If you do and think it's ok then fine but I don't. Bouys I do head towards but boats no.
How can you head for a moving target? To keep altering course to keep him in your sights is lunacy. If they are heading in the same direction then maybe you follow their track, if they're heading towards you, to aim again is lunacy.

And why the sarcastic "again"?

No wonder raggies have a bad perception of us if you're aiming for them...
 
Ease up! You might read the Origpost a bit more carefully.

Altho it's no big deal, if the thread is a bout a general issue, it hardly contributes very much to bounce in and say "Well, i don't!", as if all the threads relate directly to you. This didn't. It was a general observation.

In the same way, if a discussion covers, say, grafitti or rising crime or speeding in harbours it's not a whole load of use to say "well, it's not me!", nor even to sneeringly say to the origniator "YOU might do that - but definitely not me!" as you have done to me. That's why i made the "perfect again" remark. It was appropriate, but a little too harsh. Sorry.

In a busy solent, if holding a straight line course it is sometimes not even impossible not to hold one boat on nose for some time - not actually aiming but AS IF aiming for- even a distant one, and they definitely do notice. I'd be amazed if any regular user of the solent in a powerboat hasn't done it - bacuse sometimes if holding straightline courses it simply is impossible not to do it. I suppose a curved course never holds anyone on the bow for any length of time, and THAT might have been a more useful contribution.

Anyway, shall we let this pass?
 
/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif I read this " and had other quite esp helms drive my (power) boats and most if not all do this," as an all in inclusion not just those that have driven your boats.
I generally agree with what you type here abouts and have thought about what you have said re aiming at boats in the distance, I can honestly say, hand on heart that it's something I don't do. Maybe /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
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